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  • Arrested for assualt by penetration - HELP!!

    Hello all,
    I don't really know the best way to say this as I'm still in shock myself but back at the end of March I had a knock at the door from two policemen who arrested me for "assault by penetration" and who then took me down to the police station to be questionned for roughly 3 1/2 hours about events on that day. This in itself was traumatic enough as I have never been in trouble with the police at all in my life and ironically enough had an interview with the police shortly after graduating university for a police officer position.

    I have a couple of questions about events on the day that I would like to put to people, some questions about what happens next, and some about the polices conduct during and following the interview as there are a few things that I think are slightly odd but which may be perfectly normal to those in the know.

    So a few background details...
    I've been in a relationship with my current g/f for just over a year and although I'm not proud to say it back at the beginning of the year things weren't great and I had cheated on her with another woman on 3 occasions - (I had seen this person 4 times - but on 3 occasions sexual activity had taken place, however on no occasion had penile penetration taken place - this fact is not contested by the person accusing me). On the Saturday night we had been talking on the computer about what turned each other on and she had said that she found it hard seeing me and then knowing that I would be going home to spend time with my girlfriend and that she was envious of her and the relationship we both had - I didn't think anything of this at the time but shortly after the second time of seeing her she had also made a comment over MSN along the lines of "I've been wondering what would happen if I sent your g/f a message on facebook telling her about us". Also on the Saturday night she had mentioned that she liked rough sex and liked being dominated, and having her hair pulled, and that she wanted to be fisted. She also mentioned that she had rough sex with a previous partner and that he had left her with bruises on her arm and cheek and that her mum had asked her about these - her response to me was "I guess thats what you get when you like rough sex". On the Sunday morning I was on the computer and she had invited me round to her house for some "hard sex" - I initially refused saying that I wouldn't be able to explain where I was going to my partner as she was still at home - her reply to this was "It's not like you to pass up the offer of hard sex". As time past my partner left and I agreed (stupidly) that I would go round to her house and see her, she had stated at this point that she didn't want to be fisted however I was trying to be dominant and had said something like "you'll do as you're told" (I would like to make it clear at this point that I had absolutely no intention of doing anything that she had said she didn't want to do but was trying to be dominant as she had said she liked).

    During my time at her house she was bent over the sofa and was fingered from behind with 4 fingers (sorry to be graphic but it's important to her accusation) she then said stop at which point I took my fingers out and she went forward and was crying on the sofa. I put my arm around her to comfort her and asked her if she was ok at which point I saw that she was bleeding from down-below. After getting her some toilet paper I asked her again if she was ok and she replied "don't worry I'll just plug it up" and slightly later "I don't suppose I'll see you again after this" - we then had a cuddle and she leant over and kissed me and so I kissed her back which then led to her carrying out further sexual acts on me - at that point I asked her if she was ok with me doing this and she said "yes". After everything had finished I left on good terms with her and said that I would talk to her later on in the day to make sure that she was ok and I left with a hug and a kiss as was normal on previous times I had seen her.

    Cue Thursday evening then when two police officers turned up at my door to take me to the station.
    The main accusation that she is making was that she had told me to stop when she was bent over the couch and that I hadn't and that I wasn't just using 4 fingers but I was trying to fist her. She had then lashed out at me and kicked me in the testicles to get me off. (I have since been to my GP after the interview to check me for any signs of bruising or swelling and he found nothing) and this led to the bleeding that she received down there. She then claims that everything that happened afterwards was done by myself and that she did nothing. Since the accusation has been made by her I have received threatening emails and messages from her friends however when these have been reported to the police they have taken a note but said that they can't take any further action.

    The questions I have regarding the case are:
    As there were only two of us at the flat on that day I can't prove my version of events and neither can she so it will be one persons word against another - I'm presuming this will be alls that is required for the case to go forward to trial? I'm worried that the prosecution will take the line of "she has a cut, there was blood so it must have been against her consent"
    Similarly after the event instead of screaming for me to get out, or calling the police there and then, she told me "don't worry about it I'll just plug it up". and then kissed and cuddled me. As no-one else was witness to this I'm worried that she may deny that this happened.
    The other Jeremy Kyle style twist in this is that I have not long found out that she had recently been in a sexual relationship with my best friend, and that she knew about his friendship with me. Reading up on rape etc court cases there is a restriction on questioning people on their sexual history however I feel that this may be important to assessing her character as from talking to him recently it transpires that she has been threatening to get her friends on him as well.

    Questions I have with the police are
    When I was at the station having my interview the buzzer came on the tape indicating that it was near the end of the tape. The officer questionning me then proceeded to round up the interview and draw it to close. I felt that I still had some information I wanted to tell him but that the interview was cut short due to the time running out on the tape.
    The police called me on the following Tuesday to say that they would be seizing my computer, at this point I stated the above to them and that I had some more information I thought was relelvant to the case and his response was that he "would have to think about the appropriate forum for it to be aired". I have since still to hear anything from the police and feel that information that could be important to my defence is being overlooked.

    Another issue I have when reading the PACE notes is that police shouldn't try and persaude you to not have a solicitor present during interview. During the ride from my house to the police station they were telling me about the process that would be taking place and that as it was only going to be giving my version of events that I could be waiting a long time in a police cell for a solicitor to turn up for something that was just them my account of things. Naively I did the interview without a solicitor as I just wanted to get out there (sounds like a stupid excuse but I suffer from chlostrophobia and wanted to spend as little time as possible in the cells).

    Also, I know its probably a petty thing but when I was arrested it was for "assault by penetration" - this to me implied that they thought I had commited the offence, whereas surely it should have been "on suspicion of assault by penetration".

    So.....then I move on to the constant waiting and not being able to live my life as normal as I should. I've been off work for 4 weeks, put on depression tablets, valium, beta-blockers and referred to specialist crisis teams and counsellors due to my poor mental health since all of this has gone on. I've had to cringe with embarrassment when telling all of my family members and girlfriend about it as well as telling my manager at work. When I've talked to my solicitor about this he had said that this could last up to a year!!! Is this uncommon as I've had about as much of this as I can handle.

    It seems from looking on the internet that there is (rightly) a lot of help out their for victims of rape and sexual assault but very little for those that have been falsely accused of it.

    As things stand I was released on police bail until the middle of May - the police called me up two days before this date and have extended it until mid-July.

  • #2
    Hi MrE,

    There are quite a few forums for falsely accused, this being one of them!

    Tell the police nothing apart from answering their questions concisely, anything you say may be twisted and used against you.

    Make sure that you write down EVERYTHING you can think of about what when on between you and the 'victim', you never know what may help you prove your innocence.

    From ours and others experience a wait of a year and over is the norm I'm sorry to say.

    Also be aware that you may be charged with other offences when you go back to anwer your bail. It's a case of throw as much mud as you can and hope some sticks.

    Have you read? http://cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sente...y_penetration/

    This gives the legal definition of the offence that you've been charged with.

    I'm sure that someone will be along to give you better information than me soon.
    And God promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world. Then made the world round .... and laughed and laughed and laughed ..

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    • #3
      I endorse what RFLH has said. If you tell the police something that might help your case then they will go back to the accuser and she will then change her story due to the "horrific trauma".

      You need to save all the MSN and other messages you've been getting. If you still have that computer (why do the police want it?) make sure that you put them onto another computer in their original format or if they are still on web servers should should be able to access them still.

      She is likely to deny most of what you say occurred (or did not occur) but she could well trip herself up.

      You should address the questions you have asked to your solicitor - hopefully you have now instructed one? You need to find one who specialises in false allegations.

      Unfortunately many are now having to refuse to undertake trial work as they are paid a bog standard figure which nowhere near pays for the several hours of work diligent solicitors will put in.

      Hopefully you will find a large practice that has a solicitor working in it who has sufficient experience to help you.
      People Appealing Convictions of Sexual Offences ~http://www.pacso.co.uk

      PAFAA details ~ https://pacso.co.uk/pafaa-people-aga...ions-of-abuse/

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      • #4
        Hi there MrE and welcome to the forum, although as we all would say, your reasons are unfortunate but all too common.

        If she cant have you for herself no one can and she will take away from you what you have, your freedom and dignity.

        First off you pass the first test, she has a solid believable excuse to go for you and thats a bog plus for you so long as you can argue and prove she had reasons for making the accusations other than some act she didnt consent too. ALthough I have to admi I did skip over some of your graphic detail, not what everyone wants to read as u say it is important BACKGROUND.

        What can I say that hasn't already, get a good solicitor and dont get caught in the system and convicted because you failed to get proper representation !!

        All you can do now is wait and see who makes the next move, but any of the msn etc should help if you have copies saved - mind you they completely ignored ours so thats debatable.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Rights Fighter View Post
          ...If you still have that computer (why do the police want it?)
          When the police called to say that they were going to be seizing the computer they said "that it may well corroborate what i had been saying at the interview". During the interview I had mentioned how she was the one who invited me round there on the Sunday and the sort of things she had been saying on the Saturday evening.


          Originally posted by Rights Fighter View Post
          You should address the questions you have asked to your solicitor - hopefully you have now instructed one? You need to find one who specialises in false allegations.
          I have instructed a solicitor from a large law firm however I'm not sure he is a solictor as when I click on the firms website it says he is a "Accredited Police Station representative". Excuse my naivety but is this the same thing?

          If I wanted to change solicitor would I be too late at this point?

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          • #6
            "Most solicitors' firms that carry out publicly funded criminal defence work have one or more "accredited representatives"—non-solicitor employees who go to police stations to advise and assist people who would otherwise have no legal representation.

            Accredited representatives are usually called out to a police station after the duty solicitor has spoken to the client by telephone."

            I think its ok for you to find your own legal team that you're happy with. Do make sure that they specialise in Sex Offences and false allegations, a run of the mill firm will not do.
            And God promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world. Then made the world round .... and laughed and laughed and laughed ..

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RFLH View Post
              Do make sure that they specialise in Sex Offences and false allegations, a run of the mill firm will not do.
              Do you have any idea for the best way to go about this? I've looked in the Yellow Pages and on google and not been able to find any near where I live (West Mids).

              I'm probably looking for the wrong thing but I've searched under "sex offence solicitors" and "sex crime solicitors".

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              • #8
                MrE as you are finding out for yourself there appears to be somewhat of a problem with the legal profession, there arent any professionals in sexual allegations whose names are easily found by the normal methods, yellow pages.

                Like yourself I went to the most respected practice and assumed that they would appoint appropriate defence representation and that during the whole process as professionals I shouldnt question what and how they progressed my case. Saying that privately I had serious doubts about their methods, but was I skilled and knowledgable enough to dare question or even ask questions, hardly.

                It is a case of who you know who can point you in the rigth direction and your defence doesnt have to come from your area, actually I would highly recommend you defence not being from your area - less chance of collusion between teams then.

                So from your brief experience you can see the problems we all faced, and its not only the accusers you are fighting against - its the whole legal system and governemtns private army and then there might be 12 people on a jury - not fun !!

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                • #9
                  Which big town is nearest?

                  Also a police accredited sol/legal rep doesn't mean they are useless. Some non-qualified legal reps are better than qualified as they feel they have a point to prove and a mark to make.

                  If your police accredited person is from a big firm find out if they have a criminal defence department and if they have experience in false allegations. That's your first point of call I think.
                  People Appealing Convictions of Sexual Offences ~http://www.pacso.co.uk

                  PAFAA details ~ https://pacso.co.uk/pafaa-people-aga...ions-of-abuse/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rights Fighter View Post
                    Which big town is nearest?
                    Wolverhampton is the nearest big town around here, or failing that Birmingham.

                    Originally posted by Rights Fighter View Post
                    If your police accredited person is from a big firm find out if they have a criminal defence department and if they have experience in false allegations. That's your first point of call I think.
                    The firm I'm using is one of the biggest and best known in the local area, and they do have a criminal defence department. Not sure if they specialise in false allegations but the guy who I saw when I visited (the police appointed person) had said that he'd dealt with several similar cases and that I would be surprised at the amount of cases like this that he'd dealt with that never even made it to court.

                    That said when I called him up on the Tuesday to let him know that my bail date had been moved back his response was "when was it again?" - didn't exactly install confidence in me!

                    I've also recently found out that my friend who was seeing her (he didn't know about the allegations she had made at the time) has fallen out with her and she has been threatening to get her "heavies" on to him. This to me shows her true character but is it of any use to the solicitor in relation to the claim she has made against me or will a court purely be looking at events on the day in question?

                    Thanks for everyones help with this.
                    Last edited by MrE; 2 June 2009, 06:06 PM.

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                    • #11
                      FG said: It is a case of who you know who can point you in the rigth direction and your defence doesnt have to come from your area, actually I would highly recommend you defence not being from your area - less chance of collusion between teams then.
                      Very bad advice FG!

                      Many solicitors, especially those who are one man bands, cannot undertake trial work now as it only pays one set fee. A diligent solicitor who spends hours and hours going through pre-trial paperwork is basically being paid peanuts for that.

                      Therefore telling Mr E that he should go outside of his own area is not going to work as it is highly unlikely that a solicitor, even from a big practice, is going to get enough funding to cover the cost of travel (if Mr E can't afford to go to a solicitor miles away).

                      It also depends on where the trial is going to be heard. If it is miles and miles away then it is likely that solicitors agents will be used to cover the trial as funding will not stretch for representatives from the solicitors office be present.
                      Last edited by Rights Fighter; 2 June 2009, 06:09 PM.
                      People Appealing Convictions of Sexual Offences ~http://www.pacso.co.uk

                      PAFAA details ~ https://pacso.co.uk/pafaa-people-aga...ions-of-abuse/

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                      • #12
                        To go back to the topic - I don't know of any solicitors in Wolverhampton who are experienced in false allegations but that is not to say that there are none. All that means is that they have not come to my attentions.

                        I do know of a couple in Birmingham however. Which sols are you using at present?
                        People Appealing Convictions of Sexual Offences ~http://www.pacso.co.uk

                        PAFAA details ~ https://pacso.co.uk/pafaa-people-aga...ions-of-abuse/

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rights Fighter View Post
                          Which sols are you using at present?
                          Lanyon Bowdler Solicitors - they are one of the biggest firms around here and pretty local to where I am.
                          When I have met face-to-face with them they have been great but over the phone I've not been too impressed.

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                          • #14
                            I'll have a look at their website if they have one and come back to you



                            Back! They are not listed on the Law Society website. Is that the correct spelling?
                            People Appealing Convictions of Sexual Offences ~http://www.pacso.co.uk

                            PAFAA details ~ https://pacso.co.uk/pafaa-people-aga...ions-of-abuse/

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                            • #15
                              Which one is it?

                              Name Office Address Telephone LANYON BOWDLER HO 49 Church Street
                              TF1 1DA 01952 244721 LANYON BOWDLER BRN Chapter House North
                              SY2 5DE 01743 280280 LANYON BOWDLER BRN Brodie House
                              TF3 4DR 01952 291222 LANYON BOWDLER BRN Units G 06 & G 07
                              TF2 9TW 01952 858 910 LANYON BOWDLER INCORPORATING MORGANS BRN 12 The Business Quarter
                              SY8 1FD
                              People Appealing Convictions of Sexual Offences ~http://www.pacso.co.uk

                              PAFAA details ~ https://pacso.co.uk/pafaa-people-aga...ions-of-abuse/

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