Penniless and Lonely

[imsam]

RF was referring to criminal injuries compensation which has the effect of encouraging liars and fantasists as well as genuine victims that are reluctant to report or testify. I believe the average payout for rape is 11k reaching a maximum of 44k ( I think)

Claimants are required to comply fully with an investigation and prosecution and they do not get their money until after a trial but the payments do not require a guilty verdict as they are decided on a lower "balance of probabilities" level of proof rather than beyond a reasonable doubt.

The screenshot you have may go some way to proving a motive or at the very least giving a potential jury pause for thought so make sure you don't lose it.

Thanks Peter, but this is very frightening news to me, Do the police let the girls know about this compensation when they make the accusation? The FA in my case had no physical marks or bruises and neither did I when I was examined by the police medical nurse ( in fact the nurse commented on this fact to me when she did the examination) is that taken into account when going into court?
I had no idea the girls could benefit in this way from lies.
So as well as destroying my life ( lost partner and child) and living through hell now for a year...this lying *****may yet put me through a trial and that hell and then 5-8 years in prison......then get paid for it !!!!

The injustice of it all defies words..

[Pond31]

I understand your anger and agree with you fully but there's a difference between what sensible people deem a right and a right that is enshrined in law. At the moment, having an accusation dealt with expeditiously is not a right enshrined in law, only the right to, once charged, having a trial take place within a reasonable time.

The fight will be to have being on bail for the shortest time possible become a statutory obligation, and though there is a new law in England since April of this bringing oversight, it is silent on what is to happen if the investigation takes' too long' or even what 'too long' is.

I understand that current the law looks at the "timely manner or reasonable time" clock as starting from the time of charge. I however feel that it should start from the date of first arrest as I have stated previously. I intention is to sue the PSNI and PPS not for money but to create CASE LAW. How many people falsely accused of any crime, not just sexual, have lost their jobs, friends, families, mental health and even their lives while waiting to see if a charge is to be laid. So if the suffering starts from time of arrest morally and legally so should the timely manner clock.

[Rights Fighter]

Good luck with that......

[imsam]

I second RF's 'Good luck with that 'message' I would not be brave enough to do this myself, but admire anyone that does

Sam

[Rights Fighter]

imsam

it's not going to happen. He can try to sue - at his own expense. But he will get absolutely nowhere. It's been tried time and again.

[Pond31]

imsam

it's not going to happen. He can try to sue - at his own expense. But he will get absolutely nowhere. It's been tried time and again.

Can you give me the case details so I can see why they failed?

[Rights Fighter]

If you read through these forums and in other groups you will see where people have either said they would do the same thing and have tried and lost, or gave up realising that it just will not happen.

I really do not have the time, inclination or energy to go searching for these "cases" as you call them. I'm working on an appeal where the defs are now serving horrendous sentences for abuse that never happened. I think my time is best served there....

[Pond31]

Is there anyway I can end this faster

OK I have evidence that proves my innocence, including text and facebook messages sent by my FA after the accusations were made. I know if I present them in court that they will clearly indicate reasonable doubt and my innocence. I was wondering is there anyway I can approach the PPS and show them a sample of the messages so that I can end this suffering. I know people have advised against this believing the police and FA will just find a way to bend the truth but I need to give it a try at least. Are the CPS staff reasonable? I was going to approach them and say, if you charge me then you will loose and here is how. I am sure if they think they will loose they will drop the case quicker. Am I just dreaming? Note I will only show part of my evidence enough but not the big stuff.

[Franticwithworry]

I'm afraid to say that I think you are dreaming.

There is absolutely no way to predict the outcome of the plan you suggest or guarantee that anyone from CPS will be the brand of 'reasonable' that you hope for. I understand your frustration I really do, but I truly believe that the only sensible thing to do is to hang in there and wait. There are too many innocent people convicted to be sure of the outcome.

All that said, a solicitor is the best person to advise you of the strength of your defense and the best thing to do with it.

[Peter1975]

I agree with Frantic.

You need to discuss this with your solicitor. There may be some merit in providing some of your evidence to try and prevent a charge but you must only do this with legal advice.

[Pond31]

is this lenght of gap Normal

Hi

I just read this story http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...man-party.html and want to check with people that the length between court appearances is normal? He appeared in high court today to plead but the case with not start to January 2018. Is this the normal length between court appearances? I am just thinking this would mean I would be lucky to been in court March 2018.

Cheers
Pond31

[Franticwithworry]

Baed on what I've seen this is pretty standard. Don't forget that the first hearing is the first time there is any disclosure of the complainant's statement so a few month's gap gives you time to prepare a relevant defence, knowing exactly what you are up against. Some defence material takes time to obtain, so that gap between first hearing and trial can be valuable.

[Pond31]

This is ridiculous. I see that justice is not only blind but f**king slow.

[Franticwithworry]

We ended up with 3 weeks to prepare a defence in a different jurisdiction and I cannot describe how stressful that was. If we hadn't done a lot if wirk and second-guessing beforehand it would have been vert much worse.

Believe me, if it comes to it you will likely welcome that time gap.

[Peter1975]

It's worth remembering that Pond is in N Ireland where the procedures and timescales may be quite different to what we are used to in E&W. I am thinking of a recent PAFAA member whose case seemed to proceed pretty quickly but I can't remember exactly. The only part I remember was that the defendant was ordered to court, missing work and a days pay more than once only to be sent home again because of a lack of prosecution disclosure. He was found NG.