Please Help!!

[Rights Fighter]

Yep I saw that earlier but could cause confusion as it's about youth offending rather than (alleged) offending in general.

Extract:
"avoid the unnecessary criminalisation of young people on the fringes of criminal activity;
• ensure that formal justice processes are focused on relatively serious offences, and can thus resolve these cases more quickly and effectively; and
• increase the use of restorative processes to make young offenders take responsibility for their actions and to promote confidence in justice among victims, witnesses and the wider community.
• To ensure that the needs of young offenders are assessed and identified quickly and that appropriate interventions are put in place to address those needs.
• To extend and improve collaborative decision-making between the police, the Crown Prosecution Service and the Youth Offending Service".

[Blingguy]

Just spoke to my solicitor will be bailed again in the morning.

Not charged as as rumours suggest.

1. You need a good lawyer
2. It doesn't matter if they're legal aid
3. You need to contact your bank and report the fraud
4. She has committed fraud, so you should complain to your bank and to the police.
5. She has accused you of a serious charge which doesn't have a bail limit
6. It's morally irresponsible to take drugs and drink; you're not being looked at morally
7. The complainant sounds like a chav who has issues, if this goes to trial you can get her medical records and her criminal convictions, social services encounters, child protection issues
8. You may be charged, prepare yourself
9. Keep your chin up
10. If you haven't done the crime, have confidence in your case
11. Do you have previous convictions/cautions/reprimands?
12. You're ex will be a key witness
13. You should report her to social services if she already hasn't been - if your ex says you all were taking drugs in the presence of a child, that is cause for concern
14. It's word-on-word, so if it goes to court, it's all about who would 12 lay jury believe, you or her? that is the question.
15. Don't lie, I can't believe your legal representative has told you to hold back on the drugs, you should be honest if you haven't raped anyone

[depressed182]

1. You need a good lawyer
2. It doesn't matter if they're legal aid Ok thanks
3. You need to contact your bank and report the fraud I have reported my bank card missing the day after, I reported the fraud to the police immediately when I called them 2 days after the alleged incident took place
4. She has committed fraud, so you should complain to your bank and to the police. She is telling the police that I said take what money you want out of my bank account
5. She has accused you of a serious charge which doesn't have a bail limit
6. It's morally irresponsible to take drugs and drink; you're not being looked at morally
7. The complainant sounds like a chav who has issues, if this goes to trial you can get her medical records and her criminal convictions, social services encounters, child protection issues Yes she is a disgrace, numerous people in her neighbourhood have told me this already
8. You may be charged, prepare yourself
9. Keep your chin up
11. Do you have previous convictions/cautions/reprimands? No I have never had any trouble with the police all my life
12. You're ex will be a key witness Yes. She has already been interviewed by the police, bail conditions prevent me from having any contact
13. You should report her to social services if she already hasn't been - if your ex says you all were taking drugs in the presence of a child, that is cause for concern The problem is, my ex was doing it as well in front of her kids, I know both of them would not have mentioned the drugs to cover their own skin, as they have both had contact from social services for other reasons
14. It's word-on-word, so if it goes to court, it's all about who would 12 lay jury believe, you or her? that is the question.
15. Don't lie, I can't believe your legal representative has told you to hold back on the drugs, you should be honest if you haven't raped anyone I was worried and scared, my solicitor got it in my head that it would be a bad thing to mention it at this stage

[Blingguy]

1. You need a good lawyer
2. It doesn't matter if they're legal aid Ok thanks
3. You need to contact your bank and report the fraud I have reported my bank card missing the day after, I reported the fraud to the police immediately when I called them 2 days after the alleged incident took place
4. She has committed fraud, so you should complain to your bank and to the police. She is telling the police that I said take what money you want out of my bank account
5. She has accused you of a serious charge which doesn't have a bail limit
6. It's morally irresponsible to take drugs and drink; you're not being looked at morally
7. The complainant sounds like a chav who has issues, if this goes to trial you can get her medical records and her criminal convictions, social services encounters, child protection issues Yes she is a disgrace, numerous people in her neighbourhood have told me this already
8. You may be charged, prepare yourself
9. Keep your chin up
11. Do you have previous convictions/cautions/reprimands? No I have never had any trouble with the police all my life
12. You're ex will be a key witness Yes. She has already been interviewed by the police, bail conditions prevent me from having any contact
13. You should report her to social services if she already hasn't been - if your ex says you all were taking drugs in the presence of a child, that is cause for concern The problem is, my ex was doing it as well in front of her kids, I know both of them would not have mentioned the drugs to cover their own skin, as they have both had contact from social services for other reasons
14. It's word-on-word, so if it goes to court, it's all about who would 12 lay jury believe, you or her? that is the question.
15. Don't lie, I can't believe your legal representative has told you to hold back on the drugs, you should be honest if you haven't raped anyone I was worried and scared, my solicitor got it in my head that it would be a bad thing to mention it at this stage

Is this such bad advice case hardened that you keep deleting my posts because rights fighter has it in his head that I am such a bad person. It is a case of mistaken identity. I implore you to take action and apologise!

[soulbug]

Also remember she maybe brave at the moment where she can hide behind the protection of free legal , free protection from the police but if and when she has to stand up in court , the panic will set in and things might not work out how she currently thinks they will , she will have a tough time on the stand.

[Casehardened]

Is this such bad advice case hardened that you keep deleting my posts because rights fighter has it in his head that I am such a bad person. It is a case of mistaken identity. I implore you to take action and apologise!

I've looked at all your posts and can't see any that I've deleted. This makes more sense than it sounds as any posts that I delete are replaced with a caption:

This message has been deleted by Casehardened.

I sometimes delete duplicated posts but the only other post that I have deleted recently as a matter of policy certainly wasn't yours (as Rights Fighter & AmandaF will confirm as they both read the relevant post before I had a chance to delete it)

I hope the forum isn't playing up as I thought I had also posted a reply on Depressed182's thread but it's nowhere to be seen

Re mistaken identity; Rights Fighter is definitely all woman and much more attractive than her avatar

[Rights Fighter]

Thank you my hero!

I note that the demand for an apology followed by an exclamation mark, is one of the trademarks of a certain person who I believe the member is, or is a cohort of.

He too imagines all sorts of things that aren't happening.

Shall we get back to the OP topic now?!

[Casehardened]

I've looked at all your posts and can't see any that I've deleted. This makes more sense than it sounds as any posts that I delete are replaced with a caption:

This message has been deleted by Casehardened.

I sometimes delete duplicated posts but the only other post that I have deleted recently as a matter of policy certainly wasn't yours (as Rights Fighter & AmandaF will confirm as they both read the relevant post before I had a chance to delete it)

I hope the forum isn't playing up as I thought I had also posted a reply on Depressed182's thread but it's nowhere to be seen

Re mistaken identity; Rights Fighter is definitely all woman and much more attractive than her avatar

My apologies for the above post as I've just been reminded that I did indeed delete one of your posts in this thread:

http://www.daftmoo.org.uk/mooforum/s...7226#post57226

(this was because of a specific request from the OP rather than because I took issue with it)

[jittery]

hi

I'll find out how long I will be bailed for in the morning.

Does the length of the bail have any relevance?

Short bail vs long bail etc or not or is it all relative?

For what it's worth, my bail was set at 3 months as the OIC told me he thought it would take about 8 weeks to sort out (in his view), so he just added a bit to make sure he had an answer for the bail date (in his opinion). It seems different forces have different ways of doing things, but that's why my oic told me he intended to set a bail date of 3 months.

Try not to read into things. Oh so tempting I know, we've all done it, myself included

Stay strong!

[Rights Fighter]

7. The complainant sounds like a chav who has issues, if this goes to trial you can get her medical records and her criminal convictions, social services encounters, child protection issues

This is not quite correct. Defence cannot go on what is called a "fishing expedition" in a complainant's medical records, SS, previous cons etc.

The CPS will probably check for previous cons but even then, they might not be put before the jury depending on the circumstances. If def insist on putting her previous before the jury, then the pros may well insist on the def's previous, if there is any, to balance that out.

The complainant first has to consent to her medical records being obtained. Even then, the pros are not obliged to disclose them in full to the defence.

[edinguy]

This is not quite correct. Defence cannot go on what is called a "fishing expedition" in a complainant's medical records, SS, previous cons etc.

The CPS will probably check for previous cons but even then, they might not be put before the jury depending on the circumstances. If def insist on putting her previous before the jury, then the pros may well insist on the def's previous, if there is any, to balance that out.

The complainant first has to consent to her medical records being obtained. Even then, the pros are not obliged to disclose them in full to the defence.

Agreed RF.

My case it was found out the girl had several self harm scars over her body when she was examined after the FA, this could not be used in my defence. I cannot remember why exactly but I do remember my team saying something about a fishing expedition like you put above.

[AmandaF]

Annoying that the cops can do it though

[Rights Fighter]

Agreed RF.

My case it was found out the girl had several self harm scars over her body when she was examined after the FA, this could not be used in my defence. I cannot remember why exactly but I do remember my team saying something about a fishing expedition like you put above.

Bad character can usually only be used to "correct a false impression" that the complainant created. I am not surprised they didn't use the self-harm. Pros would have said "it was due to the trauma of the abuse".

Always good to look at how any evidence you think might help, can be twisted by the other side to make it something completely different.

We used Facebook evidence to "correct a false impression" in a family court hearing back in 2009. The guy had been convicted and successfully appealed in November 2008. This was my first success and was known as my "Mr Kaz Appeal".

He wanted access to his son he had had with the accuser's mother. She got her daughters to lie to prevent him having contact with him.

After the appeal the same barrister assisted with contact. During the court hearing the mother and the daughters still maintained the the allegations were true, they were terrified of him, hadn't been away on holiday for years as they were "worried" he might get into the house while away.

They claimed they were too terrified to socialise with the neighbours in case he brought trouble to their door. Too terrified to go anywhere and when they went food shopping, terrified to come home in case he was lurking in the shadows.

I was online at home while the family court hearing was going on. I had previously sent Facebook screenshots of the mother and the accusers on holiday at a holiday camp, during the last three years. Oh yes! And there they were enjoying a BBQ in their neighbour's garden and goodness me! There they were reciprocating with a BBQ in their own back garden. And what a surprise! Lots of photos of them in local pubs and clubs..... all very recent and during the past three years........ I had sent them in case they tried to lie about their family life. I was right to do that it turned out!

So we corrected the false impression with that. The mother's barrister accused our man of "stalking" them mother and daughters on FB. He couldn't turn a computer on let alone work out how to navigate Facebook. I received an email asking me to make a statement explaining who I am and why I took the screenshots. All accepted by the court.

The mother then claimed he had raped her. The judge by that time had had enough and told her to sit down and be quiet. He got access to his son.

All that evidence on its own could not have been used in court, family or criminal. However it was admissible due to the mother and daughters "creating a false impression". We were entitled to "correct that false impression".

[depressed182]

Would it do more harm than good I I went back to the police and mention her supplying and taking drugs that evening? My ex would also be able to confirm this. However I'm not sure if she would admit it, in case she was worried about the effect it could have on her.

[depressed182]

Would it do more harm than good I I went back to the police and mention her supplying and taking drugs that evening? My ex would also be able to confirm this. However I'm not sure if she would admit it, in case she was worried about the effect it could have on her.

Still unsure what to do about this, any advice would be helpful.

Also, I have heard that my ex is going around telling people that the police have contacted her and ask if she will go to court. How can this be so if im still on bail until next year? I don't understand all this and its causing me so much anxiety. Should she be even discussing the case if it is still under investigation. Do I need to speak to my solicitor about this ?

This has taken 6 months of my life already, I started looking for a job this week determined that this is not going to ruin my life any further.