Hello

[YearsOfHell]

Your "clumsy" words may well have already saved one person's life. The fact that a complete stranger will write words of encouragement on the thread of a person who is drowning in despair, can mean the difference between life and death. Or less dramatically, can make a very a bad day better.

Whichever it is, you can make a positive difference in the space of a few words.

Jittery
Sometimes words are exactly what is needed. I know that when I come here it's purely selfish and to make us feel better. Not always about other peoples feelings. it's easy to forget how a positive comment will lift ones spirits and make life bearable again!
I am definitely going to try and offer a more positive outlook to all the others going through this terrible nightmare.
Your positive words have definitely made things better at our house!
Thank you

[jittery]

Wow

Your "clumsy" words may well have already saved one person's life. The fact that a complete stranger will write words of encouragement on the thread of a person who is drowning in despair, can mean the difference between life and death. Or less dramatically, can make a very a bad day better.

Whichever it is, you can make a positive difference in the space of a few words.

Thanks Rights Fighter, I really hadn't thought about in those terms! All the more reason to do better if I can!

[jittery]

thank you

Jittery
Sometimes words are exactly what is needed. I know that when I come here it's purely selfish and to make us feel better. Not always about other peoples feelings. it's easy to forget how a positive comment will lift ones spirits and make life bearable again!
I am definitely going to try and offer a more positive outlook to all the others going through this terrible nightmare.
Your positive words have definitely made things better at our house!
Thank you

Thank you so much for the feedback. I didn't realise that my few words could have any real effect. I'm REALLY pleased; and now you've lifted my spirits (along with rights fighter). Thanks again and let's hope for a positive outcome for us all!

[jittery]

waiting

Thank you so much for the feedback. I didn't realise that my few words could have any real effect. I'm REALLY pleased; and now you've lifted my spirits (along with rights fighter). Thanks again and let's hope for a positive outcome for us all!

Well it's been nearly 6 weeks now. I was told to expect a month for the forensic team to retrieve text messages from phones, and a descision to be taken about 2 weeks later. I am hoping for a reply sometime in the coming week, but the feeling I get from reading other posts is that it takes a lot longer than that, so I'll post again when I hear something!

[Rights Fighter]

It really depends on the backlog of similar type cases. There's no real set time span for anything when it comes to sex cases.

All you can do is to hang on in there. Easy for me to say I know

[jittery]

Hi

It really depends on the backlog of similar type cases. There's no real set time span for anything when it comes to sex cases.

All you can do is to hang on in there. Easy for me to say I know

Hi Rights Fighter,
Yes I'm sure you're right, I know I've seen somewhere that 6-7 months is the usual waiting time. Don't worry- I'll hang in

[Casehardened]

Hi Rights Fighter,
Yes I'm sure you're right, I know I've seen somewhere that 6-7 months is the usual waiting time. Don't worry- I'll hang in

It's being a bit (very!) selfish but having you around for a while will be a great asset for the forum and other members

[Rights Fighter]

Certainly. He's a great asset. I can't do much at the moment as I have an appeal against conviction coming up soon so making sure that it's all sewn up squeaky clean...... While I am busy on that he's helping me out

[jittery]

Hi guys

Certainly. He's a great asset. I can't do much at the moment as I have an appeal against conviction coming up soon so making sure that it's all sewn up squeaky clean...... While I am busy on that he's helping me out

Awww stop it, you'll make me quite big headed! Seriously though, it's no problem: if I can help in ANY way no matter how small.......

[jittery]

small development

Awww stop it, you'll make me quite big headed! Seriously though, it's no problem: if I can help in ANY way no matter how small.......

Well, following rights fighters advice I've gone to the hospital today. The doctor took one look at me and said "you've got arthritis". I was tested for rhumatoid arthritis about this time last year, but didn't realise osteoarthritis didn't show up in the same test. Thanks to rights fighter I'll have something else to put forward in my defense rather than hearsay. Should've thought of it myself, but I've been bogged down getting a job.
My bail's been set till 4th May and my solicitor thinks he should hear about 2 weeks before the day about the likely outcome. Must admit I'd forgotten why I'd called myself jittery, I've been really calm until now, just starting to get a few butterflies now! Here's hoping for a positive outcome!

[Rights Fighter]

You could ask your GP and the specialist how this condition would have affected you and could they outline what is and what would not be possible. You'd have to pay for such a letter, but I'd suggest you wait to see the result of the investigation before doing that. I doubt that medical evidence would have any impact on the decision-maker in the CPS.

[jittery]

Hi again

You could ask your GP and the specialist how this condition would have affected you and could they outline what is and what would not be possible. You'd have to pay for such a letter, but I'd suggest you wait to see the result of the investigation before doing that. I doubt that medical evidence would have any impact on the decision-maker in the CPS.

Thanks Angel, you're a treasure. Yes, now the date starts to draw nearer the situation is starting to seem much more real and I could be hearing something soon. As always, I'll take your advice. Thanks

[jittery]

hi

Thanks Angel, you're a treasure. Yes, now the date starts to draw nearer the situation is starting to seem much more real and I could be hearing something soon. As always, I'll take your advice. Thanks

Well, more developments: I don't know how to take this. I have been in touch with my phone company and have asked for transcripts of phone records to obtain evidence that my accuser was contacting me. They have told me that the police had no right to take my phone and that they cannot supply the police with the actual content of messages because the details of the messages are not stored due to data protection issues.
So this puts an entirely different light on my case. The police have told me that they can retrieve text message content; are they lying or is my supplier unaware that they can? Without this proof I've pretty much had it because there is no evidence to support my case, just my word against hers.
My phone supplier has told me that they can, on special request, supply information on what numbers have contacted me and what numbers I have texted. To do this it merely requires a phone call to customer services and they will tell you how to make the request. So the best I can hope for is a list of times and dates when I was contacted by my "victim"- I still think it's disgusting that I have to refer to this liar as such.
This obviously weakens my defence a lot. What I am going to do now is to see whether it is possible to contact independent forensic teams to see whether they can retrieve text messages and if they can, how much I would have to pay. I'll let you know when I have any news.
J

[Rights Fighter]

They have told me that the police had no right to take my phone and that they cannot supply the police with the actual content of messages because the details of the messages are not stored due to data protection issues.

Clearly the person you spoke with has no idea what they are talking about. The police can take mobile phones and computers to assist with the efficient investigation of the case.... unless they are legally privileged ie the owner is a solicitor or legal rep with files of clients on the hard drive. My computers are legally privileged due to the dozens of client files I have on there.

Also if you mentioned the text messages in your interview, then obviously one would expect them to take it anyway, given the police are supposed to investigate the matter from both sides (as we know some of them don't and will only investigate in order to support the case for a conviction). However, that's what they should do and hopefully they will. Corrupt officers give the good ones a bad name.

I don't think providers can retrieve text messages, but a good forensic expert can, usually even if they have been deleted by the user.

If the police have your phone interrogated and you are charged, the defence should instruct a forensic expert who should have access to it. Sometimes the police will not allow the phone out of their lab so the def expert should be able to examine it, in situ. I have assisted with appeals where the def team did not insist on the phone being examined by an expert and they only went from the expert for the Crown's report. www.afentis.com would be one company I would recommend.

However, we are not at the point yet, and may never be.

[jittery]

Hi

Clearly the person you spoke with has no idea what they are talking about. The police can take mobile phones and computers to assist with the efficient investigation of the case.... unless they are legally privileged ie the owner is a solicitor or legal rep with files of clients on the hard drive. My computers are legally privileged due to the dozens of client files I have on there.

Also if you mentioned the text messages in your interview, then obviously one would expect them to take it anyway, given the police are supposed to investigate the matter from both sides (as we know some of them don't and will only investigate in order to support the case for a conviction). However, that's what they should do and hopefully they will. Corrupt officers give the good ones a bad name.

I don't think providers can retrieve text messages, but a good forensic expert can, usually even if they have been deleted by the user.

If the police have your phone interrogated and you are charged, the defence should instruct a forensic expert who should have access to it. Sometimes the police will not allow the phone out of their lab so the def expert should be able to examine it, in situ. I have assisted with appeals where the def team did not insist on the phone being examined by an expert and they only went from the expert for the Crown's report. www.afentis.com would be one company I would recommend.

However, we are not at the point yet, and may never be.

Hi Rights Fighter,
Think you are right. I've looked into this a bit deeper and I think I've been talking to a customer care operative when i thought I was talking to someone with more specialised knowledge. I'm writing now because I'm hoping this may prove constructive to others. What can be provided as I think tdm (?) said, is evidence that my accuser has been texting me by at least recording the fact that she sent me text messages via her number being on the transcript of messages received, this is what I have been led to believe.
I have known a few policemen over the years and the one's I've met seemed ok, there are some corrupt ones about I know. It is reassuring to know that these messages can be retrieved, because unless my phone provider can supply evidence that my car was outside my accuser's flat overnight to strenghten my case, then they are all I have.
Can I ask, are these new guidelines for the cps bringing cases forward for prosecution just guidelines, or have they been translated into law as well?