New way of looking at rape cases

[mumpleasehelpme]

Hi, I was listening to radio 4 yesterday about Labour Government wanting to change the justice system if they got in at the next election. Apparently, they feel, (more like women pressure groups, Alison Saunders, prof Marianne Hester, Prof Besty Stanko, Emily Thornberry, Norman Baker, Yvette Cooper, Martin Hewitt, Christine Chinkin, Louise Ellison, Harriet Wistrich..and the rest of the cronies. These and more individuals, cause negatives ripples against boys and men. They believe in a society where a woman is treated like a child...a 17, 18,19 year old is not a child and needs to take some responsibility when they consent in sex. However, these people are pushing for a person's vulnerabilities as evidence rather than consent!..Surely, this is so unfair to boys and mern in this country. There was talk too on radio 4, suggesting that Labour want to get rid of the Barrister altogether and that the women does not go to court at all and be cross examined. Additionally, instead of the Barrister the bias judge will decided the fate of the poor boy or man. How utterly unfair!..I will not be voting for Labour that I know!
Gosh!..These individuals who are pushing for this change have also pushed for new guidelines on charging from Feb 2014. The home office guidance means that more rape allegations are recorded and investigated. It should also be possible to compare for the first time the number of rape reports made to police in different regions. The incident must be recorded by police as a crime, within a maximum of 72 hours, from the time the incident is first logged.

Read, An overview of sexual violence, by mets evidence and performance unit in 2013, which showed how various factors influenced the chances of police dropping rape cases.
Northern Rock Foundation, the study, from report to court by Marianne Hester.

I wonder if these individuals pushing for changes in the law have a son, husband, father, brother...I wonder how they would cope if someone was falsely accused who they love?

[Cat]

Hi Mumpleasehelpme

Please can you tell me the the name of the programme you listened to on Radio 4 yesterday or the time it was on as I would like to find it on iPlayer and listen to it myself.

Many thanks

[is there justice?]

This made me so angry. They won't be happy until they eradicate males altogether.

[mumpleasehelpme]

Hi cat, I am sorry I do not have the name of the program on radio 4, however, thinking back now it was on Sunday around 7am I think.
This is how having a loved one being falsely accused causes such a massive impact on how my mind works at the moment. I seem to be forgetting tiny detail in life, due to stress. Our son is also finding it hard and on top of this nightmare his health with his serious condition is going downhill.

[Cat]

Didn't mean to upset you Mumpleasehelpme. You were right first time it was yesterday Monday 7th April on the Today programme from approx. 31 minutes in to 35.23 mins. They are talking about a 'victim's law' to make it easier for victims to report crimes and in court. Only in the discussion stage at the moment. They say that both Labour & Conservatives are intending to bring it in in the next parliament.

Sorry to hear your son is not coping well. Has he seen his GP thought about having counselling? Does he work at all? Can he keep busy to keep his mind off things?

[mumpleasehelpme]

Hi cat, glad you found the programme on radio 4. Also, thank you for asking about my son, is health is not great, he has cystic fibrosis and this false allegation is having a profound - effect on his health and well- being. It is so wrong when the accuser can lie about the negative effects it has on them and have this put to the jury. Yet, no one wants to know about the massive impact on us all these allegations have. The reason is because we KNOW our son is 110% innocent and that is what hurts. To think he may be locked up for 8 years plus for something he has never done, when he has a life- limited illness. The system is totally nasty and against boys and men! I won't be voting!

[whatsgoingon?]

MNH I'm really sorry to hear about how your son's health is suffering. I wonder if it's worth speaking to his consultant about what is going on in his life (if you haven't already done so).

I haven't listened to the program, but I think I get the jist. Since the accepted meaning of the word 'rape' seems to have changed over the last few years, then the way of dealing with it should also be brought into question.
As far as I can there needs to be basic education at schools so that there is no doubt the mind of youngsters what is acceptable and appropriate behaviour and what isn't.

[mumpleasehelpme]

Hi whatsgoingon,
We are going to talk to my son's consultant, concerning his health. He has picked up some dangerous bugs, that most people can fight off, however, with all this stress he may have to go into hospital for 3 weeks onto IVs. I feel so sorry for him to be put through this hell, he has a massive battle in life as it is with his life span being considerable shortened due to his health. He is the most honest, decent hardworking boy anyone can meet, and has never got in trouble with the law! He is only 21 years old, and all through his schooling at a excellent school, he had excellent school reports, do you think we can use these as well as his excellent character references he can get?

I think you are right in having more education in schools regarding relationships, specially towards women, who think it is fine to ask and beg for sex, numerous times, behave and make all the first moves and give their full consent. Also to learn these women that it is not alright to lie after and blame the boy and that they need to take some sort of responsibility. Like I said before, a 17, 18, and 19 year old are not children and should not be treated like one. If this is the case, then it should be a fair system and a 17, 18, 19 boy should be treated like a child too!

[whatsgoingon?]

Hi whatsgoingon,
We are going to talk to my son's consultant, concerning his health. He has picked up some dangerous bugs, that most people can fight off, however, with all this stress he may have to go into hospital for 3 weeks onto IVs.

I'm sorry to hear that he's caught this bug. The consultant should be made aware that your son is under serious stress, even if your son doesn't want to go into details. I suspect that he's probably been followed by the same specialist team for some time, in which case they know him well and might be much more sympathetic and helpful than you might think.

[/QUOTE]I feel so sorry for him to be put through this hell, he has a massive battle in life as it is with his life span being considerable shortened due to his health.[/QUOTE]

If he hasn't already made his legal team aware of this I feel that he should.

[/QUOTE] He is the most honest, decent hardworking boy anyone can meet, and has never got in trouble with the law! He is only 21 years old, and all through his schooling at a excellent school, he had excellent school reports, do you think we can use these as well as his excellent character references he can get?[/QUOTE]

Absolutely, we did just that. In addition, the head made a written statement to say that his conduct had always been exemplary and that he'd never had to be disciplined. His GP also gave a reference. Ultimately his legal team will decide what statements they read out in court and which character witnesses they use but initially, they help to reassure the solicitor just who he/she is dealing with.

[/QUOTE]I think you are right in having more education in schools regarding relationships, specially towards women, who think it is fine to ask and beg for sex, numerous times, behave and make all the first moves and give their full consent. Also to learn these women that it is not alright to lie after and blame the boy and that they need to take some sort of responsibility. Like I said before, a 17, 18, and 19 year old are not children and should not be treated like one. If this is the case, then it should be a fair system and a 17, 18, 19 boy should be treated like a child too![/QUOTE]

I despair sometimes, we want (I do anyway!) girls and women to have equal rights, opportunities and responsibilities and society treats us as though we are all infants. Each individual, male and female should be made aware of and take responsibility for the consequences their own actions. It seems this is a very un-PC attitude, not one hardened feminists seem to like, nor the nanny state. Everybody needs to know where the goal-posts are, particularly on issues of consent.

[mumpleasehelpme]

Thank you what's going on, I have spoke to my son and he has now agreed to talk to his consultant regarding his situation. My husband and myself feel that they really do need to know, so if his condition becomes worst, the doctors know about the amount of stress he is going through.

I know that my son is quite resilient when there are hills to climb in life, due to him having this condition to cope with, however, putting an innocent boy through this would cause anyone huge amounts of upset, anxiety and stress. I just hope he holds in there. I go to church and regularly prey for him as we all love him so much!

[can it get worse]

So sorry to hear of this situation for your son and for you. It is horrendous what hell we are put through by vindictive people.

[mumpleasehelpme]

Thank you canitgetworse, for you kind words. We are trying to stay strong for our son, he is so special to us and means the world to us. This is also having a profound effect on his younger brother too.

[can it get worse]

You're welcome.

The effect these FA's has on others and their families is so hard to bear.
We have been living in this hell for well over a year now and I am still in shock that it can be happening to so many other people.
Our trust in the justice system has totally gone.
Try to keep going for your son - he needs you and you need him.

Best wishes