Humiliated

[tigertiger]

I don't think that is correct. I am dealing with an appeal where all bar one the the alleged assaults took place in the UK - the police couldn't prosecute the other one as it allegedly happened outside of the UK (Canada).

I've also helped in cases where only assaults allegedly occurred in the UK have been prosecuted. Others were supposed to have happened in Spain (and other countries) so were left to one side.

I think that the country where the alleged assaults took place can prosecute, but as far as I know the UK cannot prosecute offences that are supposed to have occurred elsewhere.

You said she retracted. Are they treating it as a false retraction?

Hmm now I'm confused. Originally the solicitors I spoke to said they will be trying to use 2003 legislation to get involved in this although they never confirmed this was actually something 100% proceedable. Do you think that they have taken this on without consulting whether they are actually allowed to yet? There is nothing else currently I am accused of which is why I wondered why they are getting involved as I thought this would be a matter for the country it is alleged to have happened.

The acusation was not reported overseas. As far as I know the retraction still stands. I havent heard any news yet but they never mentioned her retraction, nor did I mention or question them about it. They recived the retraction from her own indipendant solicitor in the UK and a copy was also released to mine. Thats the last I heard due to bail conditions.

[tigertiger]

To confirm also, I remember the reason for arrest when telling the custody suit officer reason for my arrest. Suspicion for rape of an adult female who was an ex gf, alleged to have taken place in the country of XX at the address of XX.

[tigertiger]

Doing a bit of research into whether there has been any cases of prosecutions for alleged sexual offences overseas I came accross this

http://ceop.police.uk/Media-Centre/P...-in-Cambodia-/

It says only 2 successeful prosecutions have ever been made from the 2003 act alleged sexual crimes over seas.

However in both of these cases it involved abuse of children and in both cases the accused had pleaded guilty...


If this is the case im left wondering why I have been arrested in the first place. My guess is that they will investigate all avenues to try get involved. I have a feeling also that they will have been told a number of lies by her 2 witnesses (the people she told after). In which case they may have been given a picture of me being a person that needs to be investigated. Both witnesses openly disiked me and spread malicious lies about me which they have probably told to the police to try get them involved. <Thats a long story though. Some of these lies were asked during questioning, however, they were conveniently not in their statements which they were probably told not to include as it was an obvious crazy unfounded lie.

[Rights Fighter]

I have worked on possibly hundreds of cases where some have involved allegations of abuse in other countries. Not one of them were prosecuted here as the CPS said in each case they could not do so as they were outside UK Jurisdiction.

Possibly there are monumental difficulties

Extract from your link:

David Andrew Graham, aged 47, admitted offences of sexual activity with a child (contrary to Section 9 (1) of the Sexual Offences Act 2003) at the Old Bailey following an investigation which involved the Cambodian non-government organisation Action Pour Les Enfants (APLE), the Cambodian National Police (CNP) and the UK’s Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) Centre.
This case is only the second time a successful prosecution has been achieved using extra territorial legislation (Section 72 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003). This legislation allows UK nationals to be tried and prosecuted in the UK for sexual offences they have committed overseas

And Seila Samleang, Country Director of APLE for Cambodia continues:

We started this investigation in early 2006 when we found the suspect in contact with young boys. We alerted the Cambodian National Police (CNP) who came to the crime scene but he had already left and was on his way to the airport to leave the country. The case was filed with the CNP, to be re-activated if and when the suspect returned to Cambodia.
“The CNP, APLE and CEOP worked closely together to make sure Mr Graham was tracked down and brought to justice and this case sends a very strong message that paedophiles or travelling sexual offenders from the UK that if you abuse a child in Cambodia, you will face justice and go to jail”.

Maybe they only have that arrangement with Cambodia - I have no idea. I do know that I have been involved with trials and appeals where alleged assaults are said to have occurred in Canada and Spain and the UK police/CPS could not prosecute because it was 'outside their jurisdiction'.

Thanks for that as it's a lesson learned about Cambodia at least

[tigertiger]

I have worked on possibly hundreds of cases where some have involved allegations of abuse in other countries. Not one of them were prosecuted here as the CPS said in each case they could not do so as they were outside UK Jurisdiction.

Possibly there are monumental difficulties

Extract from your link:

Maybe they only have that arrangement with Cambodia - I have no idea. I do know that I have been involved with trials and appeals where alleged assaults are said to have occurred in Canada and Spain and the UK police/CPS could not prosecute because it was 'outside their jurisdiction'.

Thanks for that as it's a lesson learned about Cambodia at least

Thanks for the reply, I guess its a huge indication then that the odds will be massively stacked against the CPS taking this on. However I suppose I wont be able to relax / believe it until I get an NFA.

Yeah I'd imagine theyve got some kind of agreement there or at least their guilty pleas would have heavily influenced the CPS to prosecute without the need for trial.

[Casehardened]

The 'monumental difficulties' in prosecuting overseas child abuse cases are in actually getting the witnesses here and into court, remembering that in most instances the witnesses don't consider that they have been abused and will promptly disappear once there is police involvement.

If a successful prosecution has already been initiated overseas then this negates the witness issue and the CPS may well then take it on.

[tigertiger]

Received an email from the solicitor, my case is with the CPS and awaiting a decision.

My heart sunk through the floor reading that.....

I thought with the retraction it would have been dropped locally by the police themselves :-(
Solicitor says the case being passed to the CPS is no real surprise in today’s climate as most cases are.

He feels with her retraction statement that there should be no case. My main worry is whether hey have pressured her to retract the retraction as the last I heard from my accuser before my bail was that she had to make a follow us statement to the police regarding the reasons to her retraction. Never heard from her after that. Something I fear they may have threatened prosecution if she didn’t continue, I guess I'm jumping the gun thinking of possibilities.

[tigertiger]

Correction as I dont see the edit post button:

"follow up statement" not a "follow us statement"

[myhome]

Hi TT - I too found out yesterday my case is ready to go to the cps. It has knocked me sideways after 16 months of nothing happening. It is a waiting game again anything from 2 weeks to a year apparently - we'll both have to stay strong............. HUGS

[tigertiger]

Nfa!!!!!

Just recived a call from the OIC, the CPS have given NFA!!!!!!

I'm litterally shaking uncontrollably, going to take time for this to sink in.

My friends are demanding celebrations tonight so I guess its time for me to get my self out.


Thank you for the replies and support all, MH your turn is next!

[o my god]

Just recived a call from the OIC, the CPS have given NFA!!!!!!

I'm litterally shaking uncontrollably, going to take time for this to sink in.

My friends are demanding celebrations tonight so I guess its time for me to get my self out.


Thank you for the replies and support all, MH your turn is next!

Congratulation::

[tiger mum]

- great news for you. Well done for coping x

[is there justice?]

Fantastic news, enjoy your celebrations

[Cat]

Excellent news So pleased for you.

[RFLH]

that's wonderful news - so pleased for you!