My son was falsely accused

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Hi, thank you for your advice, it is duly noted. I have kept a lot to myself and no longer tell them anything.

On the night of the alleged attempted rape, he was with people on either side of the time she stated, so if she changes the time either way, then she would look pretty bad. She could not change the night either because he was with people on the other nights of that week, so hopefully he is OK on that one, so they cannot fudge the story.

Also, how many people would ask someone to pick them up for a lift into six form the morning after the alleged incident? This is public record and we have a screenshot of a FB message and a witness account from a friend who was in the car when she phoned and asked my son for the lift. By all accounts she sounded normal?? As mentioned he said no as he was doing his other mate a favour dropping him off at another campus, so couldn't come out for her. And then the allegation began ...

The police have given him back his clothes. No DNA then?? He has never kissed her let alone anything else as he has always said he does not find her attractive, which she likes to think she is to all(including posting the takeaway boy fancies her) ... so maybe she felt rejected when he kept saying no as she is not used to it?? God only knows......

I will fight for my son to my dying breath, certainly on this one as he is innocent and I have not doubt at all. If I thought for one moment he had done this I would have shopped him myself as real victims deserve justice too.

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I hope these perils are covered in sex education for boys

That is an excellent suggestion!! Completely agree.

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IPCC complaint doc link - Interesting read - Warren Blackwell Jailed then Quashed

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/Documents/inv...ell_report.pdf

Worth reading. x

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PLEASE HELP ....Need Advice - had email from DS - forward to my sons solicitor....

Hello All,

I have just received an email from the DS that he knows after now speaking to my sons witnesses that we have taken our own statements and has asked for copies. Please see the line that most concerns me following some of the advice that I have received on here....

"Prior to me obtaining official statements I would like to look over the statements that you have obtained to make sure that the information is the same as what we have been provided for accuracy."

This seems contradictory ..... is it me ??????

Many thanks xxx

[whatsgoingon?]

Errr...no! Unless I've got the wrong end of the stick, I don't think you go along with this. Is he, in effect, asking you to hand over your evidence so he can check that against what he's got? I'd be very wary, particularly as you've made noises about it already. Have you got a solicitor you can ask?

Just re-read it.... the answer is NO! Why should you give him the statements people have made to you? So he can get them to say the opposite? So that he can get them to say they were made under pressure? How does he KNOW you have obtained these statements? I'd be tempted to either ignore this, or deny any knowledge of them.

[saddened]

Errr...no! Unless I've got the wrong end of the stick, I don't think you go along with this. Is he, in effect, asking you to hand over your evidence so he can check that against what he's got? I'd be very wary, particularly as you've made noises about it already. Have you got a solicitor you can ask?

I read this the same. My son has a solicitor, whom I have forward this to. I have phoned my son and asked him to phone him urgently.

[myhome]

Hi saddened - it is contradictory to the advice that we've all given on here. I would ask your solicitor before you do anything and I would also take signed dated copies of the statements so you know if they've been "tampered with" by plod!!! We have all read so many may cases where plod "accidentally lose" evidence, or deny they ever had it, or get witesses/complainants to change their story to fit better to getting a conviction

My gut feeling is that if the statements you have are different in any way to the statements plod has - especially if your ones help your son' case in proving innocence - then they will somehow find a way of reinterviewing witnesses to discredit what they said in their statements to you - if you see what I mean???

Plod is not your son's friend and I think they want to see these statements so they're not caught out by anything contradictory should this go to trial - so I'd say no don't give them to them..........

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Thank you MyHome and WGO.

Are they for real?? Really appreciate your help. Thank you!!! xxx

[saddened]

Hello All,

I have just received an email from the DS that he knows after now speaking to my sons witnesses that we have taken our own statements and has asked for copies. Please see the line that most concerns me following some of the advice that I have received on here....

"Prior to me obtaining official statements I would like to look over the statements that you have obtained to make sure that the information is the same as what we have been provided for accuracy."

This seems contradictory ..... is it me ??????

Many thanks xxx

ITJ, MH & WGO and others, thank you so much for advising me not to give information to the police. I spoke with my son who contacted his solicitor(I told him I would say NO as I have read on here it is a bad idea as this is his defence) , I also emailed his solicitor and said my view would be NO and the reasons why, as the DS included me in the email.

My son spoke to his solicitor who initially seemed to think it would be ok, but would speak to the partner about this as My son and I stated we were not comfortable as this is his defence. The partner agreed and said no too!

Thank you so much. If it was not for this forum we may have done the wrong thing as trusting fools........ xxx

[myhome]

Thank you so much. If it was not for this forum we may have done the wrong thing as trusting fools........ xxx

Hey there saddened - that's great that we were able to give the right advice

As far as "trusting fools" is concerned - we all have been that until being in this position. We're brought up to believe that plod are there to uphold the law and protect the innocent - however - (a bit in their defense ) they have got targets that they have to meet so therefore they work towardsd achieving these and as some of the targets are for conviction rates - that's what they try to get - a conviction regardless of the human cost. In a way you can't blame them but it's totally immoral......
Keep fighting your corner - your son is so firtunate to have you behind him......

[whatsgoingon?]

Great! Glad he managed to put it past his solicitor and to hear that this was the right advice.

I know what you mean about the precious information to be gained from this site, I'd no idea it was such a jungle until I came on here.

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Hey there saddened - that's great that we were able to give the right advice

As far as "trusting fools" is concerned - we all have been that until being in this position. We're brought up to believe that plod are there to uphold the law and protect the innocent - however - (a bit in their defense ) they have got targets that they have to meet so therefore they work towardsd achieving these and as some of the targets are for conviction rates - that's what they try to get - a conviction regardless of the human cost. In a way you can't blame them but it's totally immoral......
Keep fighting your corner - your son is so firtunate to have you behind him......

Again, a Huge thank you MH and WGO. I started off being really upset(not in front of my son), feeling frustrated with the fact that the police could not see through all of this as the overwhelming evidence points to him being innocent. Then I decided the best way to channel this was to gather evidence, screenshots, statements, indeed anything that may help support my sons innocence.

I am grateful that at least we do not have to pass over all of this and we actually have some choice and decisions somewhere in the process. A process which is mostly beyond our control. Like many we have not had dealings with the police prior, so this is all new to us. I agree also that it appears they are driven by targets etc, so I think there is another fight to be had to change the way that the police manage these cases. Also, once the accuser makes the statement, they should not be allowed to change this... I think this part stinks too....

Onto the next Battle and then July when I think we will know what happens next.... Hopefully. The fight is on though and as I said I would fight for my son's innocence to my dying breath. :-) xxx

[Rights Fighter]

One of the members on here drew my attention to your thread. You seem to be doing everything absolutely correctly.

Please, do NOT - repeat NOT give anything to the police without the solicitor's OK. You have done the police's job for them - the investigating part - and if they wish to see the statements I suggest you tell them that they should have spoken with the witnesses long ago, and maybe that is what they should be doing now.

Often the police will show the complainant defence evidence and the complainant will then change his or her story to suit the fresh evidence or deny it outright and claim the accused has got his friends to lie about it. Speaking of which I don't suppose there could be CCTV anywhere in the vicinity that could be checked? Ask the sol if you think this is a possibility. The request is better coming from a solicitor than the accused.

If it comes to charge then what is handed to the CPS (as opposed to the police) will be a decision for the solicitor and counsel. If there is alibi evidence then a separate application has to be made for that.

I would trust the CPS far more readily than I would the police. Well done so far. You've done a brilliant job!

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One of the members on here drew my attention to your thread. You seem to be doing everything absolutely correctly.

Please, do NOT - repeat NOT give anything to the police without the solicitor's OK. You have done the police's job for them - the investigating part - and if they wish to see the statements I suggest you tell them that they should have spoken with the witnesses long ago, and maybe that is what they should be doing now.

Often the police will show the complainant defence evidence and the complainant will then change his or her story to suit the fresh evidence or deny it outright and claim the accused has got his friends to lie about it. Speaking of which I don't suppose there could be CCTV anywhere in the vicinity that could be checked? Ask the sol if you think this is a possibility. The request is better coming from a solicitor than the accused.

If it comes to charge then what is handed to the CPS (as opposed to the police) will be a decision for the solicitor and counsel. If there is alibi evidence then a separate application has to be made for that.

I would trust the CPS far more readily than I would the police. Well done so far. You've done a brilliant job!

Dear Rights Fighter, thank you so much for your advice and support. I have watched your threads too and gleamed any advice or pointers that I possibly can. All gratefully received.

I wondered about CCTV too, but I do not have the detail of the exact location. I will speak to my son and ask him to speak to his solicitor.

Also, separately I don't know if I can help in anyway with your fight against the terrible proposals on legal aid(or lack of it), but if there is anything I can raise through my MP(Conservative), I could forward details to his PA to see if it helps? I would base this on my sons experience and what he would have done without this type of aid being available... especially as he lost his job as a result of the false allegation(at the beginning of my thread) by being honest as to why he was late with his employers .... They did not believe he would do this either , but had little choice..... xxx

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