Doner meat attempted rape allegation

[Rik]

Hi, here it goes....

Background, I'm a very popular teacher and do get a lot of female attention but I lost sexual interest 3 years ago due to hormone medication [side effects - 96% will suffer some if not all - loss of sexual interest, low libodo, impotence, etc] and sometimes I felt like I was gay. I am medium black in colour and have no criminal records etc coz of my job and talk with a posh clear English accent.

I went out one night for a few hours because I was happy about handing in my dissertation. Ended up meeting a couple of girls and I knew but left then but got free entry to a club because I am trusted and liked. As it was my local area I stayed out a bit longer then usual during a work week - big mistake on a work nite.

I walked home a few hours later and ate when I got in and woke in the morning then off to work. I completed a normal day and in the evening I was told the police were looking for me. The allegation of attempted rape!!!!! I volunteered to the police station gave my hair, nails, dna, etc etc and a few hours later I gave an interview with my solicitor present. I answered everything including some of my clothes, what I ate at home where I went etc etc.

They asked me about my hormone tablets and that it must make me frustrated. They asked me how I sustained a minor scratch on my thumb and I said it might have been from feeding the local cat food at nite [which I have a habit of doing] but I did notice the scratch until I got to work. I explained that the hormones actually make me quite sexless if not maybe gay. I was asked if I touched up a girl and I said NO!!. I said it was horrible though for anyone to experience. I was released on police bail.

2 months later I was question again coz the girl said it was me from the photo ID parade. Again I answered all the questions. They showed me CCTV of someone that was of so poor quality that I could not decide if it was me or not. They said they had evidence that I bought a kebab from the only takeaway open 20 minutes from an alleged attack - which is a shared route to my home and the alleged victim. The alleged proof was a till receipt for the total cost of a kebab. Was not shown the receipt at all in the interview.

The final CCTV shows a very poor quality photo of someone going home and behind him a girl comes up from behind and passes him. 1 minute later it is out of range of the camera. The rest is that I went home and she alleges that a man with a foreign accent called hera gorgeous lady and then followed her into the garden because he forgot where he lived and tried to touch her bits up and pulled her hair then left. She said she suffered a minor scratch and slightly red cheek. She said she remembered everything coz she only had 3 pints of cider at a student house party over 3 hours.

After 3 hours of questioning the police asked me why bits of doner meat was found in her garden? I said that I don't eat the stuff and I had food at home ready and that I didn't know where she lived as I would have turned off to go home long before the road further up. There was one witness who was so drunk and 60metres away on the CCTV that he said it was a slim white man.

I explained I respect people's boundaries and would not harm or touch anyone. The interview ended and I was bailed again. To date it has been 3 months. The OIC did come to the house to extend the bail again and whilst chewing gum said its been referred to the CPS.

There is no DNA that has been brought up and no statement shown from the kebab shop staff and no receipt that I bought any food.

So I am accused of attempted rape based on the above. I have not been charged even though my house has been raided twice but there was nothing. They didn't even want the clothes I was wearing that nite.

Can anyone offer me some advice or support coz I have never had this before?

[myhome]

Hi Rik and welcome to the forum and so sorry you had to find us....you will get a lot of support and advice on here - there's usually someone who can answer a question.
It's impossible to tell what plod will decide to do as every case is different. You say it has been referred to the CPS. They will be inundated right now and it seems that the less plausible an allegation is the more likely they are to put it at the bottom of their pile...(I was interrogated nearly 7 months ago - historical of 23 years and have not been arrested or charged and have no idea what is going on).

Apparently they have to be 51% sure of getting a conviction in order to proceed with taking a case to trial. If they aren't then they will probably NFA (No Further Action) when they get round to it.

This could be a very long process - someone on here was 18 months from arrest to trial ( 2 not guilty verdicts); someone else was NFA in 6 weeks....whichever - it is an awful path to have to follow and the emotions that you will experience will vary tremendously from highs - this is ridiculous it's going nowhere - to deep deep lows - OMG I'm going to prison..... These swings of emotion are all "normal" in a very awful situation...

Keep strong, keep posting and we'll help and support you all we can........MH

[is there justice?]

Hi Rik

I'm so sorry you have had to search for a site like this. It sounds like the Police are clutching at straws but it still must be a horrid shock for you. Why should they bother looking for the right person if you might fit the bill? You will get good advice and support on here. Good luck.

[barney]

Welcome and sorry you find yourself here. Firstly you need to understand that the police are only interested in proving your guilt and will not look for evidence to prove you are inocent. This will go against everything that most of us were brought up to beleive but do not under any circumstances trust them or be fooled with their false sympathy for you, they want conviction at any cost.
Take legal advice from a specialist and they will tell you there is little you can do but wait but it's good to have them on standby just in case.
Be patient as they take forever, in my case 8 months from arrest to charge and a further 6 months to trial,they then dropped the case 7 days before trial as they has no evidence (cos it never happened) This was short compared to others I have heard off.

Stay strong and focus on every detail for your solicor and hope they never need it.

[is there justice?]

Firstly you need to understand that the police are only interested in proving your guilt and will not look for evidence to prove you are inocent. This will go against everything that most of us were brought up to beleive but do not under any circumstances trust them or be fooled with their false sympathy for you, they want conviction at any cost.

Never a truer word written

[Rik]

Thank you everyone. Only now do I see how I dont have to suffer in silence.


Well yes it was a big shock!!! I went through lots of emotions and numbness to very negative feelings. I was quite naive that giving information would be a good thing. I was so naive that the police were being impartial but I see now that anything i was saying was being twisted or used. I noticed that they used things in my first interview such as the clothes which appeare in the girl's statement somewhat 2 months later. I noticed that everything else about my clothes that I was vague on the girl's statement was vague too.

When the police raided my bedroom the second time 2 month later, they took 2 necklaces. I didnt understand it as they were a week old and for presents for a wedding. I am worried they maybe making up evidence. They even are using a girl that I reported to the police for following me....I was ignored when I tried to report her. They even kept my clothes at the police station that I was not wearing on the nite. By the way I did get 8 officers done for 15 accounts of misconduct including unlawful and wrongful arrest 3 years ago. In custody one officer mentioned it. They even told me 'it aint looking good for you'.

The OIC was really mad when they could not find my iphone as it has photos of exactly the clothes and what I looked like on the nite. Strange thing is that I offered my phone freely a few weeks prior but other officers did not want it and this has been recorded in the second interview.

Yes everyone I feel like I am in hell. I do not know what to expect at my bail in a week.

WOW..So I am a sexually inactive man with a brilliant career, passed a company enhanced CRB a few weeks prior passed my exams and suddenly developed an appetite for doner meat and a romp in a girl's garden then went home ate again and went to work as normal!!!


Ps so we now live in a world where any girl can say the horrid word and our freedom gets restricted on bail and life left in limbo.

[Don'tbelieveit!]

Thank you everyone. Only now do I see how I dont have to suffer in silence.

Ps so we now live in a world where any girl can say the horrid word and our freedom gets restricted on bail and life left in limbo.

Yepp, that's life. And this state of limbo goes on for ever....

[myhome]

Ps so we now live in a world where any girl can say the horrid word and our freedom gets restricted on bail and life left in limbo.

Yes - unfortunately - not only that, she's looking at receiving at least a hefty £11000 minimum as a reward for telling her lies......

[is there justice?]

Yes - unfortunately - not only that, she's looking at receiving at least a hefty £11000 minimum as a reward for telling her lies......

plus the bonus of claiming directly from you/your assets if convicted

[Rik]

plus the bonus of claiming directly from you/your assets if convicted

WOW, £11,000 for what? Yes did think a conviction could lead to civil action. But i hope this is just a weak case.

[whatsgoingon?]

Hi Rik welcome to the forum! I've been reading your thread but have to admit, I wondered if it wasn't a wind-up! Here are a couple of questions that spring to mind:

' By the way I did get 8 officers done for 15 accounts of misconduct including unlawful and wrongful arrest 3 years ago. In custody one officer mentioned it. They even told me 'it aint looking good for you'.'

How relevant do you think this is to your case?

- If these events happened 3 months ago that would have been in Feb/March (it has been pretty cold this year)..... late at night a girl was touched and had a bit of donner meat dumped in her garden.
Are the 2 connected? Does one prove the other???

- A receipt from the Kebab was found.... Where was it found? In your possession? Was it paid for by card or cheque? Is there proof that you bought it?

- She managed to 'identify' you as being the person who spoke to her and agressed her 2 months before (on that cold dark night).
Were both people standing under a street-lamp? How long was this supposed to have gone on for? Is there a resemblance in her initial discription of the person who agressed her and yourself?

I'd try and find out as much as you can and get evidence where possible. Even things like the time it would normally take you to get home, and how long it took you that night. Would there be any witnesses or CTC of that?

Have you got a good solicitor? Is he used to dealing with accusations of this kind?

Don't be surprised if you're re-bailed, that's part of the course and the awful roll-a-coaster of emotions they put you through. I don't supposed this is priority for them and in view of the above quote, don't be surprised if they stretch it out!

All the best

[Rik]

Hi Rik welcome to the forum! I've been reading your thread but have to admit, I wondered if it wasn't a wind-up! Here are a couple of questions that spring to mind:

' By the way I did get 8 officers done for 15 accounts of misconduct including unlawful and wrongful arrest 3 years ago. In custody one officer mentioned it. They even told me 'it aint looking good for you'.'

How relevant do you think this is to your case?


- If these events happened 3 months ago that would have been in Feb/March (it has been pretty cold this year)..... late at night a girl was touched and had a bit of donner meat dumped in her garden.
Are the 2 connected? Does one prove the other???

- A receipt from the Kebab was found.... Where was it found? In your possession? Was it paid for by card or cheque? Is there proof that you bought it?

My solicitor said it is all guess and circumstantial.

- She managed to 'identify' you as being the person who spoke to her and agressed her 2 months before (on that cold dark night).
Were both people standing under a street-lamp? How long was this supposed to have gone on for? Is there a resemblance in her initial discription of the person who agressed her and yourself?

I'd try and find out as much as you can and get evidence where possible. Even things like the time it would normally take you to get home, and how long it took you that night. Would there be any witnesses or CTC of that?

Have you got a good solicitor? Is he used to dealing with accusations of this kind?

Don't be surprised if you're re-bailed, that's part of the course and the awful roll-a-coaster of emotions they put you through. I don't supposed this is priority for them and in view of the above quote, don't be surprised if they stretch it out!

All the best

Hi Thank you for taking an interest.

The facts are there is no proof of any transactions at any bar or place. There is no certainty that tha person on CCTV is me. It is too grainy or far away. I was shonw 2 stills but you still cant say it is me. I have CCTV in my house and the police were looking for completely different yet very specific clothes that I might wear on the weekend but settled for the clothes I said in the interview. Of course I left out specifics and then 2 months later the girl had said the same vague clothes.

It is the word of the kebab shop man that I bought kebab meat. The police said they had a receipt that I ordered it and they used my ID parade photo to show the man [this would have been several days later if true]. I was not shown any statement or til receipt. I can confirm that the kebab shop receipts only show a total with time and date. None of this was brought up in the first interview only in the second interview 2 months later.

From the moment the camera goes off focus i would be home within 1min but I dont know when she reported the incident. I did get a feeling in the second interview that there was a time gap.
They have 1 witness who alleges he heard a scream but the camera where he heard it is far away. But my solicitor said he was in no hurry to check it out - he just looks dazed. We cant say he heard anything as there is no sound and he is sooooooo drunk - he did not ID me in anycase. He said he saw a white man [remember I am black], in fact, of the opposite description to the girl.

The police said I followed her from a bar but the person on cctv in the bar wouldnt play on the police system apparently? I think the girl and the police allege I was in the same bar. The girl working in the bar has said I was there and that I have hit her in the past so we are no longer friends. However, she has described my clothes differently to the alleged victim as well. In any case if the person of CCTV is me I took a completely different route and in fact the girl comes up from behind me 30 secs before the CCTV goes out of range. She comes up at great speed yet she said she was so scared and jangled her keys at him and that he had a foreign accent. She said she was sober when returning from a house party as she only had 3 ciders over 3 hours. I can tell you that when I was a student and at house parties I never count my drinks and mixed up all sort of stuff.

The police allege doner meat was found in her garden and that it must be mine. You cannot see what [if me] I was carrying in my hand via CCTV is just looked grainy. It is the police alleging this. I also noticed that the times of the CCTV are 10mintues out.

The only injury she has is a slight scratch but no torn clothes, no rape or intimate touching other than on her breast according in her statement. She said she kept ringing the door bell and her BF or flat mate opened the door and let her in.

There has been no DNA etc bought up. However, as I was approach by and even jumped on by about 15 girls that nite I cant be too certain she didnt talk or hug me.

PS i volunteered a day later after family informed me police were looking for me.

It was the CCTV operate who said it was me walking home coz of my gait and that he has seen me around town. But I dont have any postural problems!

"I've been reading your thread but have to admit, I wondered if it wasn't a wind-up" that is exactly what my friends and family said.

[Rik]

Hi Thank you for taking an interest.

The facts are there is no proof of any transactions at any bar or place. There is no certainty that tha person on CCTV is me. It is too grainy or far away. I was shonw 2 stills but you still cant say it is me. I have CCTV in my house and the police were looking for completely different yet very specific clothes that I might wear on the weekend but settled for the clothes I said in the interview. Of course I left out specifics and then 2 months later the girl had said the same vague clothes.

It is the word of the kebab shop man that I bought kebab meat. The police said they had a receipt that I ordered it and they used my ID parade photo to show the man [this would have been several days later if true]. I was not shown any statement or til receipt. I can confirm that the kebab shop receipts only show a total with time and date. None of this was brought up in the first interview only in the second interview 2 months later.

From the moment the camera goes off focus i would be home within 1min but I dont know when she reported the incident. I did get a feeling in the second interview that there was a time gap.
They have 1 witness who alleges he heard a scream but the camera where he heard it is far away. But my solicitor said he was in no hurry to check it out - he just looks dazed. We cant say he heard anything as there is no sound and he is sooooooo drunk - he did not ID me in anycase. He said he saw a white man [remember I am black], in fact, of the opposite description to the girl.

The police said I followed her from a bar but the person on cctv in the bar wouldnt play on the police system apparently? I think the girl and the police allege I was in the same bar. The girl working in the bar has said I was there and that I have hit her in the past so we are no longer friends. However, she has described my clothes differently to the alleged victim as well. In any case if the person of CCTV is me I took a completely different route and in fact the girl comes up from behind me 30 secs before the CCTV goes out of range. She comes up at great speed yet she said she was so scared and jangled her keys at him and that he had a foreign accent. She said she was sober when returning from a house party as she only had 3 ciders over 3 hours. I can tell you that when I was a student and at house parties I never count my drinks and mixed up all sort of stuff.

The police allege doner meat was found in her garden and that it must be mine. You cannot see what [if me] I was carrying in my hand via CCTV is just looked grainy. It is the police alleging this. I also noticed that the times of the CCTV are 10mintues out.

The only injury she has is a slight scratch but no torn clothes, no rape or intimate touching other than on her breast according in her statement. She said she kept ringing the door bell and her BF or flat mate opened the door and let her in. She alleged that I ended up on her drive because I forgot where I lived.

There has been no DNA etc bought up. However, as I was approach by and even jumped on by about 15 girls that nite I cant be too certain she didnt talk or hug me.

PS i volunteered a day later after family informed me police were looking for me.

It was the CCTV operate who said it was me walking home coz of my gait and that he has seen me around town. But I dont have any postural problems!

"I've been reading your thread but have to admit, I wondered if it wasn't a wind-up" that is exactly what my friends and family said.

Forgot to say that her description is non specific. It says that the man was younger than me and several other vague characterists. I know that I looked differently to what she said. But since she said black man it must be me.

The solicitor said it was all circumstantial so far.

[whatsgoingon?]

It seems to me there's no hard evidence, and I do wonder, though I'm not an expert, could it be that plod hasn't been following procedure? (see PACE regulations) For example... how many phtographs did they show her and what proportion of them were of black men? The picture of you shown at the kebab place hardly consists evidence . Unclear CTC pictures are inconclusive.

I would hardly call breast touching attempted rape either.

I would take it seriously and do your own investigations, though. It could just be a mistake on their part.

[Rik]

It seems to me there's no hard evidence, and I do wonder, though I'm not an expert, could it be that plod hasn't been following procedure? (see PACE regulations) For example... how many phtographs did they show her and what proportion of them were of black men? The picture of you shown at the kebab place hardly consists evidence . Unclear CTC pictures are inconclusive.

I would hardly call breast touching attempted rape either.

I would take it seriously and do your own investigations, though. It could just be a mistake on their part.

Hi many thanks for your support.

You know what a family member said the OIC seemed extremely nervous whilst chewing gum when she came to the house.
Peple have said they may have referred it to the CPS to save face.

The stills are at a completely different venue altogether in another area/road.

I noticed that the search warrants dont even have signatures of a senior officer.

The number of photos may have been loads as they took my SD cards of me with etc. There is no porn found either in my house either.

Well with the hormones tablets I am on and Ive been sexually inactive for 3 years nothing would happen in any case but they didnt know that till afterwards.

So that girl will have a nice £11,000 Uni grant.

Yes does seem very weird. So I shouldnt worry right? Just seems like a very weak case?