accused for suspision of rape

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accused for suspision of rape

The usual reason for another interview is that fresh evidence has materialised and the police want to question you about it.

Don't get too worried about this though as this might simply be that one of the other witnesses (i.e. your 'friend' or the girl) has changed their story, so could be good news for you.

thanks for your reply casehardened

I got a gut feeling that my friend has changed his story because when i called cops 3 weeks ago about my car, he told me, he might do an other interview again so I think, my friend has changed his story after he came out from bail and he probably thought, he wouldn't go anywhere with a lie. so he might have told the cops truth.

but I am m going back after next week on bail and my solicitor said, he will come there too in the interview as i have already told the truth and whole story to cops. so if they asked my same question again, shall i answer them again or shall i tell them, i have already answered you in the previous interview?

I really hope it come out a good news.

[Casehardened]

but I am m going back after next week on bail and my solicitor said, he will come there too in the interview as i have already told the truth and whole story to cops. so if they asked my same question again, shall i answer them again or shall i tell them, i have already answered you in the previous interview?

Remember my advice about 'attitude'!

They will be checking that you will give the same answers as last time, (as if you had lied to them previously you might trip yourself up in this interview) so if you won't answer the questions this time, this will arouse suspicions in itself.

Obviously it is important that your responses are the same!

[Faith]

Be sure to listen to your solicitor's advice and follow it to the tee.

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accused for suspision of rape

Remember my advice about 'attitude'!

They will be checking that you will give the same answers as last time, (as if you had lied to them previously you might trip yourself up in this interview) so if you won't answer the questions this time, this will arouse suspicions in itself.

Obviously it is important that your responses are the same!

true said and I didn't do anything so i really don't mind telling them whole story again.

when i came back from first bail, i wrote it down everything i told cops in the interview.

because this process will go long so i thought it be good idea to write it down and plus i read it somewhere in the threads that it is good to write it down everything so you won't forget.

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accused for suspision of rape

can I get information from anyone that in UK, how many rape cases get registered every year and how many go far in court etc etc?

or anyone can tell give me the website where i can find it

[Boys don't cry]

can I get information from anyone that in UK, how many rape cases get registered every year and how many go far in court etc etc?

or anyone can tell give me the website where i can find it

Rapecrisis and Home office but don't worry about this,these are just statistics.

You probably must have written all the details of your story by now or most of them.

Do not give any of them to the police and just answer to them like you did in your previous interview:

Just the simple truth.

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accused for suspision of rape

boys don't cry thanks for your response and yes i have written everything and i will always tell the truth so police.

today I had a chat with my few colleagues about rape cases as some of them doing internship and some of them studying law.
I told them everything whatever happened with me as they not experienced or anything but they said exactly what peoples in this forum have told me that if I didn't do anything with the girl then I will never get charge of rape.

but they said that,

1) I provide condom to them.
2) I gave them a chance to have intercourse in my car and I left them in the car.

they said, these two things can might go against me.
As you all already know my story and its 100% true. but cops will do there investigation and that and I don't know what will be the outcome of it.

but can you all please please put some shadow on these 2 points have described up.

what you all think, be the outcome of these 2 points?
what should i do?
what else charge they can put on me?
can court send me to jail because of that?

thanks. I will be grateful if you please help me out because that's the two things I am worried off

[Casehardened]

None of us (nor your friends) can know what the CPS lawyers will decide; obviously we want to be able to tell you that they won't bring any charges against you, but this just isn't possible (and wouldn't be fair on you if we did)

All I can say is that if I were making the decision and if the girl's statement confirms what you have told us on here (i.e. that you had no part in procuring or containing the girl in your car) I would not prefer any charges against you.

As for your specific questions as to what charges might be brought, if you look back through this thread, you'll find we have already answered these!

[Rights Fighter]

.......today I had a chat with my few colleagues about rape cases as some of them doing internship and some of them studying law.


Which area of law? If it is not specialising in false allegations of sexual abuse then they will have no idea.


but they said that,

1) I provide condom to them.
2) I gave them a chance to have intercourse in my car and I left them in the car.

they said, these two things can might go against me.


Your friends who say they are studying whichever area of law clearly have no idea of this aspect of criminal law:


'ACTUS REA' AND 'MENS REA'.


'Actus Rea' is that the crime or act was indeed carried out and that the suspect was the offender

'Mens Rea' - is that the suspect intended carrying out that act or crime.


In your case the Crown have to prove that there was an intention to carry out the acts of


1) handing over the condom and

2) allowing the use of the car to be used for the commission of an illegal act (rape).


So if you knew that the person in your car intended to rape the girl and you still handed over a condom and allowed him access to the car for him to commit that offence - then the two parts 'actus rea' and 'mens rea' are proved - so the Crown have a case.

If the Crown cannot prove that you handed over the condom, knowing that he intended to rape the girl (possibly as in aiding and abetting)........

And if the Crown cannot prove that you knew he intended to rape the girl (as opposed to simply have sex with her permission) yet still allowed him use of your car, then they cannot say that this was some sort of joint enterprise, (if you were completely unaware that the girl was not consenting).
If the Crown cannot prove the two parts of the offences, actus rea and mens rea, in theory you should not be charged

Unfortunately, as we know the Crown does not always fulfil the criteria and when they do not they stuff it will perception and suggestion.

You have to stick to your guns that you had no idea that the girl was not consenting, supported by the fact that she got into the car willingly and did not appear to be distressed at any time and that the only part you played was to play a part in this unattractive saga, was allowing a friend to have consensual sex with a girl in your car and enabling him to do this by handing him a condom.

[Casehardened]

Just to add to Rights Fighters comprehensive and knowledgeable post: you must also stress that you didn't realise the girl was a minor until afterwards when your 'friend' told you.

[Rights Fighter]

Thanks CH - I should have added that very important point in. I shall give myself a swift kick up the backside!

[RFLH]

I'm happy to oblige!!

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accused for suspision of rape

thanks for your reply and I really appreciate.

.......today I had a chat with my few colleagues about rape cases as some of them doing internship and some of them studying law.


Which area of law? If it is not specialising in false allegations of sexual abuse then they will have no idea.

colleagues are studying law, doing there bachelor and 2 of them work in a criminal sector.



but they said that,

1) I provide condom to them.
2) I gave them a chance to have intercourse in my car and I left them in the car.

they said, these two things can might go against me.


Your friends who say they are studying whichever area of law clearly have no idea of this aspect of criminal law:


'ACTUS REA' AND 'MENS REA'.


'Actus Rea' is that the crime or act was indeed carried out and that the suspect was the offender

'Mens Rea' - is that the suspect intended carrying out that act or crime.


In your case the Crown have to prove that there was an intention to carry out the acts of


1) handing over the condom and

2) allowing the use of the car to be used for the commission of an illegal act (rape).


So if you knew that the person in your car intended to rape the girl and you still handed over a condom and allowed him access to the car for him to commit that offence - then the two parts 'actus rea' and 'mens rea' are proved - so the Crown have a case.

The gril got in the car by herself like no one forced her and that. when i gave the condom to her, she asked for it. no one of them mentioned they going to have intercourse so it could be anything else except intercourse. but i didn't know anything.

If the Crown cannot prove that you handed over the condom, knowing that he intended to rape the girl (possibly as in aiding and abetting)........

And if the Crown cannot prove that you knew he intended to rape the girl (as opposed to simply have sex with her permission) yet still allowed him use of your car, then they cannot say that this was some sort of joint enterprise, (if you were completely unaware that the girl was not consenting).
If the Crown cannot prove the two parts of the offences, actus rea and mens rea, in theory you should not be charged


if he raped her then she might have any scratches or anything like that but she didn't have anything. if i wanted to rape her then why would i let her go? and why would i park right in front of public houses because this kind of thing mostly happens in empty places.do you think, it can prove that i never intended to do anything with her

if i knew, he going to rape her then of course I will stop him.

no one knows about her age because she never tell her name or anything but when she went off then my friend screamed at me that just drive because she is underage and if cops saw me doing it, they will take an action against him.

Unfortunately, as we know the Crown does not always fulfil the criteria and when they do not they stuff it will perception and suggestion.

You have to stick to your guns that you had no idea that the girl was not consenting, supported by the fact that she got into the car willingly and did not appear to be distressed at any time and that the only part you played was to play a part in this unattractive saga, was allowing a friend to have consensual sex with a girl in your car and enabling him to do this by handing him a condom.

i gave the condom to the girl not him because she is the one who said to him that she not doing it with out condom. she was kissing him for a long time and i didn't want to see that because it was embarrassing so i stopped the car and went for a toilet and when i get in, she asked for the condom so i gave it to her and i stayed out.

and it is true that i didn't know her age

but i got an other question, why would police believe me of anything I say?

[Rights Fighter]

The gril got in the car by herself like no one forced her and that. when i gave the condom to her, she asked for it. no one of them mentioned they going to have intercourse so it could be anything else except intercourse. but i didn't know anything.


Of course they were going to have intercourse! They weren't about to blow it up and play ballons were they given they were snogging for some time??!



no one knows about her age because she never tell her name or anything but when she went off then my friend screamed at me that just drive because she is underage and if cops saw me doing it, they will take an action against him.


If nobody knew how old she was why would your 'friend' suddenly scream at you to 'just drive because she is underage?' He must have known for him to do that.



colleagues are studying law, doing there bachelor and 2 of them work in a criminal sector.

That doesn't meant that they know what they are talking about. Learning from books is nothing compared to experience with actual cases. I suggest you don't ask them for advice but ask a solicitor or come on here and I will do my best to answer your questions. If I don't know the answer I can ask a person who hopefully does.

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The gril got in the car by herself like no one forced her and that. when i gave the condom to her, she asked for it. no one of them mentioned they going to have intercourse so it could be anything else except intercourse. but i didn't know anything.


Of course they were going to have intercourse! They weren't about to blow it up and play ballons were they given they were snogging for some time??!

but isn't possible that she might just want to use the condom for like suck.... or masturbating? because intercourse in the back seat is hard specially in my car which wasn't really big and I didn't see my car moving or anything but forensic evidence will prove that but i really hope, they didn't do it because even if it was consent but still she was underage and its a crime to have any kind of sexual relationship.

if they have intercourse then i am sure it was a consent because she was very happy with him and proper snogging him and she was sitting on him. that's what i have told the cops and again i will tell them in my upcoming interview on my bail day.

no one knows about her age because she never tell her name or anything but when she went off then my friend screamed at me that just drive because she is underage and if cops saw me doing it, they will take an action against him.


If nobody knew how old she was why would your 'friend' suddenly scream at you to 'just drive because she is underage?' He must have known for him to do that.

I doubt if he knew her age before because she got angry when she got off from the car so i think, she might have told him or he probably asked her age and she might have said, she 15 and he got angry and told her to get out off from the car. the question is, when he finds out her age, weather they had intercourse or not.

because she screamed at me when i asked him what happened, why she went off and he said, just get in the car and drive and afterwards while i was driving, he said, i shouldn't ask him what happened there because she is underage and if cops saw her with him then he might get in trouble. so i doubt if he knew the age before when she got in the car.

but i am not worried about him any more because he lied to cops that he wasn't with me that's mean he is hiding something. if he would tell the cops truth, i would be free to go but he lied. so i want to see myself getting out from the situation because i didn't know anything about her, i didn't force her. i didn't ask her name or age. i didn't even touch her so rape is very far thing. i will stick with this truth story because me and my God knows, i didn't do anything with the girl and didn't have any intentions to do anything with her.

colleagues are studying law, doing there bachelor and 2 of them work in a criminal sector.

That doesn't meant that they know what they are talking about. Learning from books is nothing compared to experience with actual cases. I suggest you don't ask them for advice but ask a solicitor or come on here and I will do my best to answer your questions. If I don't know the answer I can ask a person who hopefully does.

yeah your right because they don't know much and i don't want to to get worried if they tell anything wrong and yeah i have started this thread on 2nd of august and sooooo many peoples have replied and gave me advices and put me on a right direction.

there is other thing, i would like to ask you Right Fighter that my solicitor send a letter to my address saying that,

"" in order for the prosecution to prove this offense against you they must prove that you along with an other male forced a 15 year old girl into your car and where one of you raped her""

does it mean that, police think, we might have kidnapped a girl and where on of us raped her? but the girl have told the cops that, my friend was talking to her and asked her to get into the car. (( so that's prove that i didn't force her and hope there is CCTV there to prove it))

about rape, it will be prove that i didn't do anything with her because i am not worried about rape accusation because i know i am clean.

that's the only 2 charges, police have put on me. i will not get charge of them both defo not. other than that, they didn't put any other charge on me.

my solicitor also said that, my instructions to me was, my friend knew about the girl and he invited her into the car. i didn't know the age of the girl and if rape happened then i believe my friend and the girl had consensual sex in the rear of your car.

thanks for your help everyone. i am just really scared because i don't know what thing cops will take against me.