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[Rights Fighter]

I was adivised by the Church to install it, because too many accusations are made towards us as Priests, and i have all the signs and everytime anyone enters my home i explain to them about the CCTV.
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Very odd church you belong to. Most churches would stand an accused priest down until the end of the investigation and beyond, and certainly would not suggest installing CCTV in the BEDROOM for goodness sakes! That implies that they approve of you have extra marital sex with different women. The church I go to would take an extremely dim view of anybody who did that......

[worriedandconcerned]

Sorry but after reading this post my first thought is this is a wind up
If i am wrong jwt i appologies but to be honest there is such a lot that does not add up.
Apart from anything else i am glad i dont attend your church thats for sure

[Rights Fighter]

From the OP:

i texted her i hope i have not done anything to upset you, its not my fault i think ur lovely and i see you have closed ur facebook. no reply.

What's not your fault????

...and then i gave them a condom which would show i never came.....

How does that prove that that is the condom that you used in the incident?

As Boys don't Cry has helpfully pointed out - whether you ejaculated or not does not come into it. Rape as defined by law basically is the penetration of an orifice (vagina, anus and mouth) by a penis although that may be changing to include foreign objects. The slightest penetration is all that is required - even half a centimeter penetration is classed as rape - if committed without consent.

[jwt]

Hello Chris
Thank you so much for your kind words, i am pleased to see that you have replied to my plight to mock, so thank you, and as you are keen to point out your a lawyer, yet you have judged me only as a Priest not a person that had nothing to hide. The reason why i gave everything to the Police is because i thought that you had to be honest and say the truth. But as it seems that your a lawyer in this department then it goes to show i will go to Prison for a crime i did not do. I now see it was a mistake to join this site, as i am getting enough grief in my life, and for some stupid reason, i thought that i may have got some help from others that have, or, are going through this.
Please feel free to call me other names as well, you seem to have missed of the usual ones that i am called all because of my faith. It should not matter if i cheated on my wife or not here, as my mistake is my punishment.
I am sickened that you seem to think that just because i have placed CCTV in my bedroom, that anything untoward or sex would have to take place there. After this experiance that is the last thing that i have on my mind ever, but then again, it seems i am already judged, i said the truth, im sorry i am not trained to hide facts or lie, i will not change what happened or alter the truth on the night.
I wish you all good luck in your plights, and i hope that you will be proven innocent. At least now i know that i have no chance of any defence.

[Faith]

JWT you appear to have grossly misread Rights Fighter's post.
Firstly, her name is not Chris, nor is she the solicitor that is in her signature. She works for the firm but did not profess to be a solicitor.

Secondly, if you can't answer questions from people without getting het up and offended, then unfortunately, you will be eaten alive on the stand in court.

I am sickened that you seem to think that just because i have placed CCTV in my bedroom, that anything untoward or sex would have to take place there

Thirdly, Sex DID take place there...you have said that yourself.

Fourthly, Rights Fighter won't mind me sharing that she is a practising Christian...the last thing she would do is mock her own faith.

You can only get from this site what you put in. If you joined just so everyone to say 'there there, everything is going to be okay' then you have misunderstood the purpose of it. You will be challenged ten times worse in court...if you can't answer it here, you sure as hell won't convince a jury.

[jwt]

I dont know what i expected from here, all i know is she consented was texting on her mobile all the time she was with me, and when she was leaving, she went out drinking later with her friends.
After i was arrested for this, i only said the truth, i cannot change what happended or what i said, nor will i, because that is what happened. Yes i now know it was a mistake telling the truth and being so keen to try and prove my innocene, but i did and it has now kicked me in the face.
I went to the country where my wife was living with my children and told her exactly what i had done, and gave her everything we owned and i even said i committed adultry. Again i was honest and told the truth.
The CCTV i had installed a month after the event, and no one is allowed in my bedroom now, and unless it is urgent i will not allow anyone in my home. Never again will i be placed in a situation without anyone else present.
Some advice would be nice, and perhaps a glimmer of hope even, i am always polite and never in my life would i even raise my voice to a women, let alone do anything so sick and disguting to harm one.
There is a stupid side of me that still believes she will own up to lieing as she did to two previous men, except this time it is her father the policeman, and her uncle the one i refused to go into business with 2 days earlier are pushing it.
so yes i am scared, yes i know everything sounds bad, but i never did anything wrong, so i just acted the same as usual.
Today my car was scratched, and in peoples minds the story has now changed to he is a Priest he must be a child abuser, and all i did was take a woman i thought to be in her early 30's to dinner and my place, my first date for 8 years, and boy i picked a nutcase. so i am a little touchy when i get some sarcastic comments because if that is what the view is on here from people that are more understanding, then i have no chance anywhere else.

[Faith]

JWT everyone on this site has some form of life experience in false allegations or in the issue of rape. Many have been unfortunate to have been affected by both.
We will never trivialise either issue...quite the contrary.

You must expect to be challenged...and in doing so, you are preparing yourself for the battle ahead.
No body is questioning your innocence, we take it as a given that members who seek us out are innocent unless we receive warning signs otherwise. What people are trying to do is to help. Much of what will be asked of you is similar to what the prosecution will ask.

The moment you are 'touchy' you have lost the battle.

Rights Fighter has spent well over a decade battling the injustices of false allegations. She knows what she is talking about. I say that from experience of her working on my own case, cases of friends and cases on this forum.

And to clarify, it is absolutely not the wrong thing to do to tell the truth. I would never encourage lies, especially to police or in a court of law. Not giving all of your aces is not the same as lying.

[lawlessone2009]

Hey,

There are people on here that deal with things in many different ways.

I believe RF is simply being brutally blunt with you. She does the same with me and the same with everyone else. She does not do it for badness or 'kicks' she does it because she deals with legal aspects of sex crimes as a living and knows that there is absolutely no room for bullshi**ing or messing around. She will also be extremely concerned for your circumstances as you have put them forward. You appear to have been far far far more honest than a lot of individuals on here when it comes to dealing with the Police which puts you in a VERY vulnerable position and will cause no end of grief for whomever will be your legal team.

Honesty is a long forgotten thing which although very noble and worthy of respect has managed to hang you in this circumstance. The Police don't care about honesty, they have a complaint in front of them from a woman claiming to have been raped. You've provided them with plenty evidence that 'things' took place so with all of that taken into account they'll happily take a chance on the one against the other when it comes to the jury deciding on consent, you've not done yourself any favours.

Do you have a PROPER legal team onboard?????????????

A solicitor and barrister who SPECIALISE in defending sexual crimes. You CANNOT use a run of the mill legal team here as your freedom is at stake.

Further to that. You will need to ensure that any 'evidence' you may have is physically available to you, your legal team and whomever else needs it. You need this evidence presented in court. I cannot see a trial taking place so quickly after referral from the mags court, are you sure these timings are correct?

[lawlessone2009]

Oh............. And as Faith mentioned, everyone is taken to be innocent until such times they show otherwise..... I'm not entirely sure how to spot a guilty one but no doubt the Mods and other longer term members can sniff em out. I just go by assuming that everyone is here because they are terrified and confused in the beginning, going through the trauma in the middle and returning a little gratitude in the end.

I was originally here for the beers.....

Anyway, on a more serious note. NOBODY on here will question your innocence but they WILL question your story. Not for doubt or any sinister reason! They do it to understand it, provide reverse arguments and hopefully guide you on a path whereby you will be able to stand up in the court room and give your side of the story without being slaughtered and ending up in jail for an extended period. Honesty does not cut the mustered when your standing in the dock with a prosecutor ripping shreds out of you, a jury wondering why the 'honest' guy is soooo honest and your legal team being well out of their depth because they normally sell houses or deal with divorces.

[Boys don't cry]

Jwt

RF and Faith are right and experienced.

They are here to help you and everyone in this situation and you should better than anyone else turn the other cheek and forgive.

I have been upset as well in the past but when you will go to court,you will be sent against a lion in the arena.
Even when you will meet your defense barrister you will feel overwhelmed.

You didn't make a mistake to tell the truth,you just made one by cheating on your wife.
Forbidding adultery was codified at Mount Sinai as one of the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God on stone tablets.

You made the choice to be a priest,to teach people how to be good,respectful,kind and generous towards each other.
The prosecution will judge both of you:the priest because you will be an easy target only for cheating and the man only for rape.

I forgot extremely important facts:You will have to swear to God in Court and above the judge will be the motto "Dieu et mon droit".
I am sure that you understand the meaning of it.

I am sorry but the law is like the commandments:You must obey and there aren't any confessionals to save you.

It is true and that is why I was found not guilty,I was a bit naive and told the absolute truth.
I thought that the police was here to serve and to protect,nowadays I am less confident about this.
Any opportunity given and...you are experiencing it.

Keep strong!

[Rights Fighter]

I have spent years doing charity works and trying to be a modern Priest, .....

This is not a defence and will not impress any jury.

The CCTV i had installed a month after the event, and no one is allowed in my bedroom now, and unless it is urgent i will not allow anyone in my home. Never again will i be placed in a situation without anyone else present.

So why go to the expense of installing CCTV in your bedroom if you never intend again to have anybody other than your wife in your bedroom alone with you?

I am sickened that you seem to think that just because i have placed CCTV in my bedroom, that anything untoward or sex would have to take place there.

I did not say that. Why install CCTV in your bedroom if you, as you said, will not allow anybody into your home (much less the bedroom) unless an emergency occurred? What would be the point? However, what the jury would make of that is a completely different matter. They would make the assumption that anybody who installs CCTV in a bedroom would be doing to for one of two purposes:

1: To record any 'action'

2: To prove that next time consent is given - which suggests you intend taking ladies in there other than your wife for a bit of bed time fun.

There is absolutely no other conclusion the jury could come to. Either way it does not reflect well on you or your character - both of which the jury will take into consideration, should the matter get that far.

I was adivised by the Church to install it, because too many accusations are made towards us as Priests, and i have all the signs and everytime anyone enters my home i explain to them about the CCTV.

If the gutter-press got hold of this story ( and they might as this is a public forum) they would have a field day with "I was adivised by the Church to install it, because too many accusations are made towards us as Priests".

Sorry but the church would never advise anybody to have CCTV installed in a married person's bedroom, especially after somebody has claimed to have been raped in there. Horses, stable doors and bolting springs to mind. They are more likely to give you a rollicking for committing adultery, and I very much doubt that they would advise on how to go about to committing adultery again without fear of false allegations, which is what you imply.



Boys Don't Cry, Lawlessone and Faith are all correct, the Crown would rip your story to pieces. I have only given you a mere taster of what would happen.

I suggest you change your defence of, "I'm a modern priest and have done years of good work for charity; my church advised me to install CCTV" - in fact leave the church out of it otherwise you will bring your denomination into severe disrepute via the media.

Start by admitting you did wrong by your wife, you are sorry and ashamed, and that this is a false allegation (if it is) - end of. Juries prefer a little humility and explanation rather than attempts to play on their sympathies by using your 'priesthood, 'charitable works'' and 'church'. That just won't wash.

[Casehardened]

Apologies for coming to this thread rather late (flaky internet connection) but, as you mentioned getting advice from your church re. the CCTV, I wondered if the police had notified your church of the reason for your arrest or if you had told them yourself?

[Boys don't cry]

i have to put my whole life in the hands of my lawyer that he can show to a jury that i am being honest. As you said the truth goes against you, and for you. I hope that they are just to confident and we can catch them out, either way, i am sure the truth will come out. I hope so, and it did for you once.

It is herself that has lied, and her family and friends, i am hopeing that people will be able to see through all of that, as you said, and what i tell everyone, Faith.

Jwt:
With all due respect that I have for any religion and everyone.
You put your whole life in the hands of a lawyer,shouldn't you put it in God's hands first?
The truth came out for me that the woman I married cheated on me and ...you are like her.
If she lied,her family and friends,you are scaring me...if it is the other way round.
You know that you cheated on your wife being a priest...
If you lie,there is only one way out for you and I am really trying to help you.
Sooner or later you will see two different path,one nice smooth and sandy.
The other with stones,rocks,... Please take the last one and you know I am right.



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[Amre]

Just one question, why did you keep a used condom in your house for 3 days?

[Rights Fighter]

Different condom Amre! Just to prove he 'never came!'