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  • #16
    Or simply print out and then score out the account info with a black marker?
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    • #17
      Oh, and saving TWO copies in the first instance if using the 'crop' function.

      One completely unaltered and one cropped. Calling them by name and use an 'a' or such at the end to differentiate.

      That way if the court requested you could provide the complete originals!
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      • #18
        Excellent advice, lawlessone.

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        • #19
          When you crop using this programme you cannot crop out specific words or parts of it.







          The bottom one is cropped to size but cannot be edited without it being noticeable especially if examined by an expert.
          People Appealing Convictions of Sexual Offences ~http://www.pacso.co.uk

          PAFAA details ~ https://pacso.co.uk/pafaa-people-aga...ions-of-abuse/

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          • #20
            Plus of course when one goes into the properties of the file one can see when it was originally created and how often it has been modified. If they see it has been modified once (due to cropping to make the file smaller to send via email) then that will show. If there are several modifications then obviously that might raise an eyebrow depending on the explanations.

            I have an idea that changing letters / words would prove difficult as screenshots are not editable as far as I know - which is why screenshots are acceptable as evidence.
            People Appealing Convictions of Sexual Offences ~http://www.pacso.co.uk

            PAFAA details ~ https://pacso.co.uk/pafaa-people-aga...ions-of-abuse/

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            • #21
              It's easy. I've just saved the screenshot and in one modification altered the wording about how it cannot have a devastating effect on families.
              That will show up as Created xx/xx/xx and modified xx/xx/xx, just as you cropping your image would.
              The difference being if my version was tendered as an authentic document, it could unfairly influence the allegation based on it. A guilty one could get off, or an innocent convicted.
              That's why modifying documents in any way is a slippery slope. Far best to print screen and leave it alone.

              note: the reason it is smaller is this sodding forum software won't accept the original size from ImageShack and I'm not wasting time signing up to Photofukkit.

              Last edited by LS; 27 March 2012, 07:27 PM.

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              • #22
                As the screenshots are submitted by me (or whoever sends them to solicitors) then I am sure that the properties will reveal how often it has been modified.

                I am amazed you have managed to do that though LS I have to say. I was always under the impression that this is uneditable text.
                People Appealing Convictions of Sexual Offences ~http://www.pacso.co.uk

                PAFAA details ~ https://pacso.co.uk/pafaa-people-aga...ions-of-abuse/

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                • #23
                  Nothing is uneditable with something like Photoshop, and the number of times it is modified is an unreliable yardstick because you can make the changes in one fell swoop, meaning that you would have one Created date, and one Modified date, just as you would have in your cropping instance.

                  It would boil down to the honesty and integrity of the person submitting the image or, as pointed out by lawlessone, submission of an original image alongside the modified one.

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                  • #24
                    I'm sure if you were a really clever cookie you could alter the part of the program regarding 'created' and 'modified' to show simply as 'created'.

                    It's only code at the end of the day and open to manipulation. The other party in court of course should be confirming whether truthful or not and it is assisted by government legislation forcing sites to hold backups of everything if I am not mistaken...

                    Perverting (attempting to, even) the course of justice could then be an additional charge.......
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                    • #25
                      Interesting thought.

                      A couple of years back a barrister was struck off (or defrocked or whatever they do to norty barristers) and done for PCJ after he misused an appeal judgement and initially won his case.

                      He had edited the judgement to suit his own ends and at appeal nobody had noticed until later on..........
                      People Appealing Convictions of Sexual Offences ~http://www.pacso.co.uk

                      PAFAA details ~ https://pacso.co.uk/pafaa-people-aga...ions-of-abuse/

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                      • #26
                        That's naughty!

                        Was it a personal matter/family/close friend?

                        I'd never dream of foul play in anything but I suppose there is a darkside in life that I will hopefully never see although a lot of the books I've been reading lately have been opening up my eyes (Stephen Leather/Karen Rose/Chris Ryan). My choice of book has altered slightly since I was accused..... A positive from the situation. Used to be into John Grisham, Clive Cussler and other soft books.
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                        • #27
                          I've seen first hand how easy it is for someone to fabricate evidence using something as simple as Word, and getting someone sent down for 4 months.

                          It took that long for the CPS to smell a rat when there was no supporting evidence forthcoming.

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                          • #28
                            That's why David Camerons 'Big Society' and 'we're all in this together' nonsense doesn't work.

                            People are still in life simply for themselves.

                            Had there been an equal threat that being caught wronging someone you would suffer the same fate then the fabrication of evidence would not have happened. Of course this could be extended to many areas of life and would help stop a lot of crime.

                            Can't have that in a democratic and free society though....

                            Maybe that's why we're not democratic or free and more simply just a joke of dictatorship......
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by lawlessone2009 View Post
                              I'm sure if you were a really clever cookie you could alter the part of the program regarding 'created' and 'modified' to show simply as 'created'.

                              It's only code at the end of the day and open to manipulation. The other party in court of course should be confirming whether truthful or not and it is assisted by government legislation forcing sites to hold backups of everything if I am not mistaken...

                              Perverting (attempting to, even) the course of justice could then be an additional charge.......

                              There are a number of freely available programs which can change date stamps - created, modified - on graphics files. It is QUITE possible to change a graphics file and add or delete words. It takes time, effort, a modicum of skill, and use of a program such as Photoshop.

                              In my case, I was surprised when I submitted what I stated were copies of email correspondence to the OIC, he never asked for any proof or demonstation that I had not edited them, and this was plain text material.

                              The police are not always fully up to date on IT issues, nor are the CPS....

                              There are people out there who SPECIALISE in altering screen shots - for a fee....

                              CAVEAT EMPTOR

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                              • #30
                                It does worry me that the police and CPS are unaware of how these things can be edited etc. Especially text files.

                                We submitted typed statements to the police that were signed. They didn't ask to see a copy of any of the signatures...for all they know, I could have written the statements myself and forged the signatures.

                                I didn't of course, but as we all know, there are unscrupulous people out there.
                                "Be sure your sin will find you out"

                                Numbers 32:23

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