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They disgust me
Our accusers majorly over elaborated on their lies too
Crime scene being one of them
I hope they're stuck for words when questioned in court
And I agree, it does seem to be the latest trend with young girls
Xx
its digusting is'nt it? That these liars get away with so much? im sorry for everyones troubles on here...like i said ive lingered for ages before finding the courage to register.Im glad i did
What really rankles me is that the OIC and a DC came to house the day after interviewing her (they seemed startled and looked at each other when they entered the room....now i know why) and that they were given lines of enquiry by the "victim" identifying my partners son as being a witness to her being at my house that they chose not to follow which would have blown the case straight away. For two months he had no contact at all with his son so the police could have easily spoke to him, now its too late as because they have contact the prosecution would say his son could have been coached what to say.My partner wont use his son as a witness, as being autistic he gets easily upset and the court experience would severely harm him mentally. Yeah i hope they have a tough time in court....by my understanding kids are not cross examined like adults...they are treat with "kid gloves" in comparrison so the barrister applying to be allowed to aggressievely cross examine them suggests that he has to have, and will have, solid evidence to show the judge that these 2 are liars. They will trip themselves up time after time
im soooooo sorry for ranting (and my bad spelling) The whole experience has changed me and my partner so much....we just cling together and refuse to split up.we dont go anywhere or talk to people. So many fights ive had with the authorities over it all. He is the most lovely gentle person going...ive known him all my life as we closely grew up together so any hint or rumour to the contrary, i would have heard. We've been told by the professionals we've had contact with that the case does not add up....the evidence they look for against him are not there and he does not fit any profile.
We've been told by the professionals we've had contact with that the case does not add up....the evidence they look for against him are not there and he does not fit any profile.
Hi,
I don't want to use the 'P' word but the profile for this is that offences are usually repeated and to the same pattern and part of any investigation is to look for other victims.
Where it is a false accusation as in your case, quite obviously there won't be any other 'victims' apart from these two and this is making the investigating team stop and think.
Our accusers stories didn't add up, surely they will be 'put on the spot' with questions during video link in court
When you lie, it's hard to think of an answer quick.
Our accusers tripped themselves up, but quite a few of their initial lies were provable, why don't the police act on these lies ? That's the bit I don't get
In our situation the police looked closely at the parents too, and I received quite a few negative fredbacks about them
I can hope that the jury are good and see through these liars
But def get anything you can as evidence to prove they are targeting you all
Hi traumatisedrose, sorry for joining in late in the discussion and welcoming you in the forum. Your story breaks my heart. I am also a partner of an accused. It makes me angry how these accusers have made life so difficult for you and your family. How can they get away with gossips and getting you arrested is too much! I have not much additional advise to give at this point.. but a real virtual hug for you for coming through all this. I would also do the same for my partner. I hope your partner's health has improved by now and you are getting ready for the trial. It is good to hear you trust your defense team.
thanks everyone....The attack supposedly occured on a thursday pm and it was on the monday eve it was reported. i know that one prosecution witness (the penetration girls mother)will be indited at the trial as the barrister knows she has told lie upon lie in her statement.The historical accusers mother is being supoenaed(spelling? sorry)for the defence as she has stated that her daughters a liar about it all....so sounds like it will get interesting
good it needs to...theyve caused splits in both our families, we've lost long standing friends, caused all hell to break over our heads with social services police etc...and tainted both of us forever. There is so much more detail to this story that i cant write on here but it is absolutely incredible at the things that have happened to us.
on a lighter note, We've decided when this is over we are going to write a book about it all.....i think the title of the book "i cant believe its not fiction" along with our traumatised police mugshots as the cover picture
Traumatisedrose, my heart goes out to you with all what you are going through and the effect it has had on every aspect of your lives. It sickens me that the Police and CPS can not see through the lies and have decided to use public money in bringing this to trial. On a positive though, it does sound like your legal team plan to have their lies well and truly exposed in the courtroom.
I’m sure the whole story would be a very heart wrenching read when you write your book – I for one would definitely read it.
Ok, just one little thing from me at the mo. My brain isn't shifting too quick just now...
I would think it is important for your barrister to ask both girls independently in the court room if the know each other and to what degree.
If possible I would gather evidence either in the form of a witness to the facts (his son?) or whatever other kind of evidence you can think off.
The girls are denying knowing each other, or at least were denying, and I believe that this should be a corner stone to the case. If you can get one of them into a muddle and shown to be a liar then the barrister should be able to advance a case of malicious accusation.
I agree with Lawlessone. The girls should be kept out of the public gallery until they have given their evidence, but they will not necessarily be kept separate before then. They may or may not be kept separate after one of them has testified, not sure about that.
However, if you can get one of them to admit that they do in fact know each other it would be powerful evidence of collusion. Testimony confirming that from a 3rd party would be very useful too.
As a thought, are there any Facebook photos you could take screenshots of that show them together?
Hi there, and welcome. So sorry that you are suffering so much and hopefully this horrible situation will be resolved asap.
Just one thing about your son's Statement of Educational Needs. Do contact the educational psychologist who is in charge of your son's assessment and explain the situation in an effort to speed things up. Hopefully your son's file can be put to the top of the pile, I know from experience that sometimes things are slowed down dramatically as new cases come in everyday and the school asks for action on a student as a matter of urgency, and "less urgent" cases move down the pile. If you can't talk to the psych involved then ask to speak to the lead psych or manager and emphasise your needs. Keep on until it gets done.
Kind regards
Jen
False Accusers Beware: You have chosen to dine at the Karma Cafe. There is no menu: you will just get what you deserve.
and remember that the witnesses, victims - are allowed to read their statements before the trial - handy for those forgotten 'facts'.
And God promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world. Then made the world round .... and laughed and laughed and laughed ..
sorry ive not replied everything is a whirl at the moment. Our barrister applied to the judge for phone logs and texts to be retrieved as my partner insists he is telling the truth about everything and has told them what is there. The judge agreed all evidence had to be got back and we were assured it would come back. CPS sent logs back but not the content of the texts. just the logs alone are blowing her story but we wanted the content of the texts which show her to to have sent dozens of blackmailing and threatening texts to do as she said or else she was going to spread worse. They contolled his life over these rumours they were spreading. The barrister is putting what texts they do have in chronological order and it shows huge portions missing....many texts and calls off her before my partner replied under duress and with protests. He was too ashamed to tell anyone he was being bullied like this.As we can blow every single aspect of her story regarding the assault and prove with facts that she is a liar(her mother and friend too) and evidence is incomplete then surely there is reasonable doubt as to whether she is telling truth about the phone too?Barrister is confident about proving the assault stories false and does not seem concerned that texts are not back but in same breath mentioned there may be a price to pay for the texts even though he was bullied. What then for the future?? Im in a mess about everything. I have heard that the girls are never allowed to have contact with each other again and that the mother is writing on facebook that she does not trust the justice system.
Hang in there, Traaumatisedrose.
I would suggest that it is far better to have absolutely everything you might need before proceeding. In other words, persist in getting the text transcripts back. One of the rules I live by is: "Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it." Mr Saffron finds this rather irritating when we are going away for the weekend, ("Three pairs of shoes? Really?") but in matters like this it is imperative!
You can't have too much evidence showing them to be the liars they are. Make sure you get it, regardless of what your barrister or sol says.
IF your partner is convicted you would not be able to use the text transcripts as grounds for appeal because they are available to you now, even though you are not in possession of them. Appeals can only be heard on the grounds of a fundamental flaw in the trial itself, or on the grounds of new evidence. This has to be NEW evidence, not evidence that was available at the time of the original trial but not used, for whatever reason. An appeal judge would rule that you could easily have accessed this evidence but chose not to.
hi sorry not responded, everything seems to be catching up on me now. Hope you all are ok
we've tried all week on phone to solicitor but to no avail left voicemails expressing importance of getting transcripts back but no reply to that.
found out yesterday that until now the complaints were being treat seperately until the phone logs came back and showed a high level of deleted communication between the 2 "victims" who didn't know each other.... It was overheard by someone that they have been banned from having any further contact ever again.....and the girls mother is now writing on facebook that she "does not trust the justice system," and "what will be will be there is nothing i can do about it " After a year of her and her supporters making direct threats against me and my partner (we reported every one but again nothing was done) it seems a bit of a U-turn.
Barrister was very interested in my incident and after my nfa the 2 girls were spoken to again and questioned further...he has now got his hands on all those related transcipts. Trial starts tues....hope the jury can see them for what they are
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