Loved one accused of rape

[Denise]

Saffron & Rights Fighter

I wrote a great long post but my laptop crashed.

I called the police today to ask about this compensation, they confirmed that if my son is convicted, they are indeed allowed to seek compensation, the more their life has been affected, the more they would be likely to receive. Well, lets just say, when I spoke to the DC the week of Christmas, she said the eldest is virtually housebound !!!!

My 2 other children and myself have all written everything down, and that's what the police used for our statements, we were allowed to refer to the notes when the police was writing it all down.

Yes I know , the 'witness' thing is ridiculous. Everything I know about this witness I have written on my thread. The mind boggles if it is an adult, I am assuming it's a school friend who they have probably begged.

On the day my son was taken in for questioning, the DC kept asking him if he has or had a hairy chest, to which my son said no, he never has had, eventually he showed her that his chest is bare. They must've said he did have, for this to be an issue, but he would've been 12 + then !

The police have asked me about a holiday we all went on that didn't exist, it was to celebrate a family members birthday, they got the age of the girl wrong by 3 or 4 years ( I can't remember for sure) but we had certainly never gone away the time of the year they are suggesting.

Will the fact that they were young at the time and probably can't remember things properly go against them ? or once again will they get away with it ?

[Joe-D]

Get a dictaphone, get records, written or otherwise, ask for copies if possible, then make extra copies for yourself. Build a wall of evidence.

[Denise]

Get a dictaphone, get records, written or otherwise, ask for copies if possible, then make extra copies for yourself. Build a wall of evidence.

Ask for copies of what Joe ?

[fighter]

I called the police today to ask about this compensation, they confirmed that if my son is convicted, they are indeed allowed to seek compensation, the more their life has been affected, the more they would be likely to receive. Well, lets just say, when I spoke to the DC the week of Christmas, she said the eldest is virtually housebound !!!!

Denise, about the compensation the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority had standard tariffs for this "sexual assault" like a non-penetrative assault would be equivalent to 1000 pounds and one incident of rape is 11,000 or abuse over long period is 33,000 so you can just imagine how much they can claim for by what stories they come up with. However, they of course have to stick to their story. And no it does not need conviction to claim, there are people who got their compensation even if the accused was found not guilty.

[fighter]

Ask for copies of what Joe ?

I guess he was saying copies of statements against the accused? This can be available when the accused has been formally charged; the police will turn over the statements of witnesses against the accused to the solicitor and the solicitor will provide you copies of it.

[Denise]

Denise, about the compensation the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority had standard tariffs for this "sexual assault" like a non-penetrative assault would be equivalent to 1000 pounds and one incident of rape is 11,000 or abuse over long period is 33,000 so you can just imagine how much they can claim for by what stories they come up with. However, they of course have to stick to their story. And no it does not need conviction to claim, there are people who got their compensation even if the accused was found not guilty.

This is unbelievable, all we know is that the penetrive sex allegations happened between 10 and 100 times, never together and that they allege anal sex was involved, we asked if they have had examinations &. Police said they're not obliged to agree to one, I said at their ages I'm sure there would have been a degree of internal damage, we are pretty convinced they've refused these ecaminations

[fighter]

This is unbelievable, all we know is that the penetrive sex allegations happened between 10 and 100 times, never together and that they allege anal sex was involved, we asked if they have had examinations &. Police said they're not obliged to agree to one, I said at their ages I'm sure there would have been a degree of internal damage, we are pretty convinced they've refused these ecaminations

whew! 10 to 100 times is a lot! and no report at all. I wonder how the person they confide it can live with this; knowing the girls are being abused! I think since it is historical they would have no examination at this point; unless during those times they would have gone to the doctor and there would be records of it. But then some historical cases proceed to court without any evidence of medical records or forensic/dna to support it. It becomes a word against each other. Hence, consistencies of stories to the small details is very vital. The accuser in our case has straightforwardly said there are no medical examinations of her and she has not told anyone about it; but in her statement she claims that her mother knows what is going on!

[Saffron]

I would assume that if forced anal penetration took place at such a young age there would be some form of scarring. However, anal contusions can happen even if no forced penetration took place - piles, for example!
One would guess that vaginal and anal rape in the volume they are alleging and at such a young age would leave permanent physical scars. No wonder they have refused a medical exam.

This might be a point worth asking your sol to explore. An expert witness could possibly testify that physical scars would be present given the regularity and frequency of the "rapes". The fact that no medical exam has taken place speaks volumes.

Of course they may claim to have refused an exam because it would "bring back the trauma" of their "ordeals". In which case it is also worth asking whether they are now sexually active. Usually the complainant's sexual history is inadmissible as evidence, but if they are refusing a medical examination due to "trauma" then one would assume that they also can't bear sexual contact. I could be wrong, just a thought!

[Joe-D]

Ask for copies of what Joe ?

Copies of anything to be honest, anything that you feel might be significant. If there's contradictory things being thrown around then the more evidence you have of it the better.

[Casehardened]

With regard to the medical examination look behind the terminology that may be used by the police/CPS.

I was told that the results were 'inconclusive'; it much later transpired that what this actually meant was that the 'victim' had refused to allow the actual internal examination to take place.

[Denise]

Saffron & casehardened

We were told both girls are in long term relationships, based on what I know about them I am convinced both are sexually active.

After the birth of my first child I suffered bowel problems, 18 months later I went to a specialist about it, he asked if I indulge in anal sex, and I told him I have never done that, he said my injuries were the same as if I had, and that's through giving birth vaginally

Years later I had a laporoscopy following my hysterectomy, and they accidentally left a swab inside me for 2 weeks, my point for this was that the surgeon had made a few 'mistakes' with me over the years, so I sought legal advice to at least get a warning against him, I had to endure vigorous checks, internals/STDs and psychological reports all of which I readily agreed to, I understand I was an adult but I was also innocent AND telling the truth. I came out of these checks squeaky clean, if you're innocent and honest, IMO you would agree to more or less anything x

[Denise]

Update

We were told CPS would have a decision by yesterday (Friday) but no such luck.

I phoned the DC dealing with it and no answer.

My daughter has found a facebook private message from the youngest accuser (Summer 2009) saying "she misses us all, and that she hopes we're all fine and can see us soon xx" or words to that effect but definitely stated she misses us ALL (she's included her 'rapist' in that)

anyhow, back in the same summer 2009, she would bombard me with MSN chats, where she would ask how all my kids are doing ('rapist' included) etc, so I thought late last night that I would look for them on msn, well obviously not the same as facebook because as I clicked on her name a message comes up that she will receive my friendship request when she next logs on ! I went to bed so upset and worried that I have probably ruined my son's chances here by it looking like I have tried to make contact. I got up this morning and called the DC's mobile, no answer. I then called the retired policeman who came to take all our statements to tell him, no answer but I left a voicemail for him asking him to call me asap.

I got a call from the DC this afternoon, saying CPS may make a decision by Wednesday, and that she only got my message by chance because she found her works phone in her daughters' toy box ! (honestly, Im not kidding)

Anyway she said not to fret about my msn mistake, i've reported it and thats good.

She said my daughter MUST print off that conversation which obviously we will do.

[gem]

hi denise if you do print this conversation off or any other please please keep copies for your solicitor before you give to police . they deliberately lose evidence to get a conviction if he is charged.

[Browneyedgirl]

Denise, with regards the conversation on facebook, make sure you do a screen print. Don't be tempted to copy and paste.

Wednesday will be here before you know it and I hope it is good news for you.

[Denise]

Thankyou Gem & browneyedgirl and in fact to everyone else who is giving me such great advice xx