Any advice welcome please repeat accuser has ruined my life

[Rights Fighter]

They can be subpoenaed BUT the question must be asked: Will they tell the truth and help the Defence case or will they side with the accuser(s)?

It depends on why they do not wish to give evidence willingly. If they do not wish to be seen to be taking sides but will give truthful evidence, then they could be subpoenaed. However, if they are hostile to you then it's not a good idea.

You need to ask your solicitor about this.

[victimofaccuser]

to rights fighter

I left a message but solicitor didnt ring me. I have to go to court next friday, Im so low i just dont have the strength to fight anymore. The only thing keeping me here is my 2 boys but im starting to feel im no use to them or anyone. I think ill just have to go with the plea get it over couse i cant take much more. I hate my life, I hate what she has done to me, i cant stop crying every single day, i cant face going out, i wish i had the strengh, ive tried so hard, but i just cant take any more. Thankyou to those who have tried to help, but i cant do it.... sorry

[Rights Fighter]

Yes you CAN do this.

If you do anything now then howt will the headlines read? "He couldn't face the guilt of what he had done". How will those who love and support you, feel? Do you really believe that they would never miss you and also it is entirely likely that they would feel that they had not done enough to support you - and will carry that around no their shoulders for the rest of their lives.

Can you do that to them?

Stick with us. We are here and many have walked the path you are treading.

[RFLH]

VoF - Rights Fighter is talking sense. You are not alone, many have been ihn the place you are now, they have come out the otherside.

Please, please keep talking on here. We care.

[Rights Fighter]

I've emailed him and also put him in touch with one of our members on the private forum. I'll find out if he's been in touch yet and ask him to ring/meet up.

[RFLH]

Thanks RF - I hope he will, everyone needs someone to listen, a shoulder to cry on and a hand to hold (even if its only virtually).

[Rights Fighter]

He's not been in touch with our guy - I'm a tad worried now.....

[RFLH]

Just trying to contact him............ hopefully he will post soon.

[victimofaccuser]

News

Hi people, I have a letter today from solicitor, help me decide, maybe he is talking sence....
Becouse, i did, to be honest, the stupid thing as spending time with this girl, and following her instructions (which solicitor says will be said to judge) i did make images though i belived as (evidence agrees) i thought as told by her she was 18.
It was only becouse she later confessed to being 17, that i face 1 charge or possesion of image x1.
Now letter today states this..... (should i agree)
I know you are aggrieved by the way this girl has behaved, she has clearly made false alligations to serious offences (obduction and rape) which have now been dropped (though printed in local press)..
The appropriate action i belive is for you to make a formal complaint to the police. I think that police had evidence that you belive she was 18, only later to find she was 17, when you were charged with worse offences, that in my opinion forms the basis for a perfectly good complaint. As a result of the charge you were remanded, this should not have happend.... and would not have happend had the police bothered to listen to the audio of the tape in good time, due to what you claimed in interview.
Your best course of action, is to let matters take there course, as you found out she was 17 you are tecnicly guilty, and of 1 offence the punishment is not sever.
Then make as complaint about this girls behaviour and the way the case was handled by police and the cps.

I think, maybe he is not so bad, despite this girll having done this more that once before, it may mean a more peacefull ending to this ordeal, get it over with, and the fact that she has done it before must of been known by the cps at the time of charging, therfore i may really have then on complaint of sending me to remand, and advertising the serious charges that were dropped a week before it was put in paper, this of course would give me a little satisfaction.
Help people, what do you think ????

[Rights Fighter]

Are you asking us whether we think you should plead guilty to this one charge? If so - I thought you had already done that.

Or are you asking us whether we feel you should vacate the guilty plea and fight it?

I don't know if you had noticed by the way, but some of us have been very worried about you due to your last post and at least two of us have emailed you - with no response at all.

[the advocate]

AIUI, if you genuinely believed that the girl was 18 or over, (and it helps if you have a good reason for your genuine belief, as you do) you are not guilty of the offence. IF this is the case, if I were in your shoes, I would fight it, and plead not guilty.

look on it this way. If its a no big deal offence, and you're tempted to plead guily, you get one third off the punishment which you would have got if you'd plead not guilty and then convicted. MY impression is that any punishment would destroy so much for you, take the chance to fight it and hopefully a not guilty verdict will happen.

[largactyl1]

Hi there, I also have to say that if you genuinely believed this woman to be 18 it really goes against the grain to admit to something you are innocent of. The repercussions for yourself with having any type of sex crime on record could be unpleasant. That's what I think anyway.
Kind regards
Jen

[victimofaccuser]

sorry

soz rights fighter, Its not been easy. Yes i am tempted to just get it out the way, you see the point is, yes i truly belived her to be 18, even her own friends statement backs mt claim, becouse she told her friend she had lied to me..
The difficulty is, lets say, 3 quarters of the way through time spent with her, she said to me that she was 17, not 18. Solicitor says (mine) that therefore becouse i didnt think, having consumed lots of vodka, to jump up, realise i was then breaking the law, and erase all pics, that makes me 'Technicaly' guilty....
As i didnt recive a call back, from that solicitor, ive had no other advice, other than from mine, as i stated in the earlier post. He says, as i did not jump, and act straight away, i therefore 'knew' from the moment she told me .... that she was 17.
he says, i cant fight it, he says i will make it messy, I just dont know, and i have to go this friday.

[Rights Fighter]

Double Take's partner was told that he would definitely be found guilty and tried to get him to take a plea bargain. He refused and was found NOT GUILTY.

Nobody can tell you what to do but you need to understand that you will have no chance to appeal now the Counsel/solicitor has given you extensive "advice". You will be labelled a self-confessed molester...............

[Casehardened]

Yes already pleaded, as they did it as soon as i got released, when they dropeds charges, going to listen to tapes today, i think they havwe twisted my words, apparently, IF i did no know at the time, as she said she was 18, then i am only 'technicly' guilty, but have no defence......

Hi again,

Just to clarify matters, am I correct in thinking as you have pleaded guilty at CC, the judge reserved sentencing awaiting reports, and your appearance on Friday is to receive the sentence?

As RF has said, only you can make the decision whether to change your guilty plea, but has your solicitor told you what the sentence might be?

If not it might be worth you ploughing through the sentencing guidelines:

http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.g...esAct_2003.pdf

It's a mammoth document but based on what you have told us about your offence it would appear that you are likely to get a community order (but please just don't take my word for this, read through it yourself or ask your solicitor)

As you pleaded guilty you should get a discount, but against this, as largactyl1 pointed out, this will be classed as a conviction and will go on your record, also you are likely to have to sign the sex offenders register for a period of time.

I guess it all depends on what your job is now or what employment you are likely to seek in the future as whether to take the rap or not.

With hindsight I guess you should have taken your chance with a jury trial, but having said this, had I been in your position I'm sure I would have done the same as you.

Take your time to come to a decision & discuss it with those close to you, they will be affected by any adverse publicity from the press.