my 16 year old son falsely accused of rape by a woman of 40

[landlady]

hi everyone, thankyou for your lovely kind words,
i have to say the first experience was just horrible!!!!

the solicitor gave me all the statements before we went in, her statement and what she said my son said and did made me physically sick!!!

the prosicution applied for 8 weeks before his next majistrate court date??? so he is back on jan 4th 2011. which i hope will be our year!!!!!!

i will over the next few days tell all, there is one thing, we met the chap who is lined up to be my son's barrister, his first words about all this were,

" HOW THE HELL HAS THIS GOT THIS FAR, FROM ALL THE STATEMENTS GIVEN AND WHAT THEY SAY SHE IS BEING THROWN TO THE DOGS"

like i say the statements were eye openers, conflicting evedence, conflicting everything.

today i feel weary but possitive i'l be back, and thankyou all for your support it helps so much god bless you all xx

[landlady]

dear gareth, what you wrote touched my heart. what has happened to your life must be unbearable, and for you to think of my son warms my heart. thankyou xx

[gareth589]

Hello Landlady, thank you for the kind words. It's been a tough year and being honest I am looking forward to the year ending. My life like others has changed and I don't think fully that I will ever get over what damage has been done. I can only imagine a genuine Rape victim must go through he'll.

It seems you Legal Team are on the ball, and the Barrister who knows his stuff will rip any case to bits. I went and watched a rape trial and gained a great deal from this and what happens.
I truly feel for your son, first sort of fumble and this. Its enough to put any guy off. I hope your son can focus on normal stuff and enjoy the build up to Christmas.
Try as a family to arrange a night out, bowling, cinema. He may feel like I did where he did not want to be around people. If so get a film at home and pizza with loads of sweets. He still may seem withdrawn, but trust me these things really do help. If your son wants to chat to me ask one of the mods to pm me and I will give them my number. I can't promise I will make it better but I really do know what your son is going through and the heartache you all feel. The offer of a phone call is day or night.

Regards

Gareth.

[Saffron]

Gareth, that's a really kind offer. Thanks for continuing to support the forum, even though your ordeal has been NFAd.

[gareth589]

Thank you for the kind words. I find helping others a very calming experience and helps me to banish the heartache and pain I suffer from events.

[landlady]

hi all,
i now have statements, they were given to me 5 mins before going into court with my son.

on the first page is her statement as to what happened.

her accusations are digusting, and made me physically sick!

he is supposed to have had sex whilst she was asleep, then tried straight away to force her to perform oral sex whilst pushing her head down, failing this he then is supposed to have attepted to turn her over to " do her up the arse" are the words she said he has used. might i add in one statement she said he succeeded in turning her over yet in another she resisted!!

i feel sick now just writing it. i know my son and we have a very open relationship as i have with both my kids, and i know these words are not in his vocabulary never mind the confidence to be undressed infront of anyone, and do this to them.

she had sex with her "boyfriend" the night before. this is the married solicitor!!

the examining doctor reported a small tear between her vagina and her bottom, this was at healing stage and could have been done upto three days before the alleged rape. she had tenderness to her vaginal lip but as the examining doctor said, both these injuries could have been caused whilst having sex the night before the alleged rape.

she is bipolar and is on medication, prozac 60mg and lamotrigine 200mg both daily. she also takes diclafenac and tramadol for a back problem that she has had surgery on.

she also has an asighned social worker and has been a psyciatric in patient and has a psyciatrist. the volentary inpatient was dec 2008.

the statements that have been given by all that were at the party were all there too. the girl who's house it were tells of the next morning when this woman told them she was raped then went back to bed not just once but twice into the same bed! she also tells why she did not believe her, she said everytime she goes out with this woman there always has to be a dramatic incident the next day, she once said she had been mugged. the woman who's house it was said that this woman has constantly caused problems for her all through her life, once telling her that her dad was not her biological father and urged her to dought her mother. she said whenever they go anywhere she thinks everyone in the pub fancyies her !

i know all this sound random but surely somehow her character can be brought into court???

the other girl tells how this woman said she needed " new prey" on the night of the alleged rape.
one lad tells how she kept touching his leg and at one point even putting her hand on his crotch. he moved away from her feeling very unconfortable as this woman is almost 40(39). he told her his aunty had warned him about her before he came out.

another girl says this woman was touching her hair constantly, saying how pretty she thought she was! she too moved away telling the girl who's house it were about this.

then there is our witness the chap she followed outside, he has yet to speak to our sollicitor but is going to do so.

forgive me if i'm rambling but there's so much on these statements about this woman.

my son has been foolish for sleeping with a woman like this, but he's young and nieve, shy and a very private person.

i just hope all this information can be made accessable in court??

oh i forgot she has small bruiseres on the inside of her upper arms, she told the doctor this is where he held her down, she hasn't told them she was man handled out of the pub by a man and a girl on either arm!!

its all lies so many lies, i just hope the jury see through this woman.

is there still a chance it doesn't even get to court???

i keep reading it over and over, i'm feeling like i'm going mad.

my son sobbed when we came out of court, but in there he spoke calmly and clearly and i'm so proud of him.

[Rights Fighter]

Bringing in "bad character" could well be the subject of an application to the judge if the Crown does not agree.

Interesting that the accuser has a married boyfriend who happens to be a solicitor! Do you know what area of law he practices?

[largactyl1]

Lamotrigine

Hi Landlady, it must have been so hard for you at the moment. I think about you a lot and have talked to my husband about your son's plight because I know how I would feel if it were my boy.

Right, I see that this woman is on Lamotrigine and prozac. She is having an unusual amount of Prozac for someone who has true bipolar. Prozac is an SSRI and in true bipolar it can make you enter a manic phase - 60mgs is a lot and so this would suggest to me that she has a treatment resistant uni-polar illness - I maybe wrong but this is what this treatment suggests to me. Also you mention a need for constant drama in her life is consistant with a Borderline Personality Disorder, people rarely are open about this diagnosis as Personality disorders are as they suggest - a problem with the personality and a lot of hard work is needed to improve ones life. Often a person with BPD thrives on causing drama as a way of life. Medication can help with the emptiness and depression of BPD. This is just what I think mind, but I've seen a lot over the years and I think it is worth getting your team to explore this. If you would like more info on BPD, please let me know. The woman accusing my close friend A. has a diagnosis of BPD.

Lamotrigine is a mood-stabilizer. It's brand name is Lamictal. I am on this particular drug and 200mg is not a huge amount. She is not taking an anti-psychotic which also makes me wonder about her "bipolar" - with the amount of psychiactric support she is getting, if she had severe bipolar, she almost certainly would be on an anti-psychotic to inhibit mania and psychosis.

Alcohol should not be taken with lamotrogine as it amplifies side-effects which include:

"Blurred Vision, conjunctivitis, dizziness, headache,difficulty sleeping, being sick, diarrrhoea, hallucinations, feeling irritable, aggressive, agitation and confusion" From Patient information sheet, Glaxo-smithkline.

Here is some more relevant info from www.lamictalanticonvulsant.com:

The exact working mechanism of Lamictal is unknown. It is believed that it affects chemicals in the brain that are involved in seizures and also in bipolar disorder. Lamictal is used alone or together with other medications for treating seizures. Lamictal is used for treating bipolar disorder too. There are also many other uses of Lamictal in the medical field. It is not recommended to drink alcohol while taking Lamictal. If you take alcohol along with Lamictal, the dizziness or drowsiness caused by Lamictal may get increased for which alcohol would be responsible. Alcohol seems to increase the risk of seizures too. If you have taken alcohol with Lamictal, the side effects of alcohol such as blurred vision, poor coordination, drowsiness and dizziness may be pronounced high, and you will not be able to do certain functions. Therefore, under such circumstances, do not drive a car or operate machinery. You should not perform hazardous activities in these conditions.

It is recommended that alcohol in any form is avoided while taking Lamictal. As lamotrigine, the active ingredient available in Lamictal is used for treating epilepsy and seizures, people who suffer from seizures should be very careful about their alcohol intake. However, the data on this drug do not give any instruction to the effect that alcohol should be avoided while taking Lamictal. Notwithstanding the absence of any warning in this respect, it is advisable to stop drinking till your course of medication with Lamictal comes to a halt. The reason is that alcohol can cause liver damage. The lamotrigine you take is broken down in the liver only. Therefore alcohol should be avoided while taking Lamictal. Especially if you have a damaged liver the situation will become worse when you combine Lamictal and alcohol. If your liver is good and you are only a sportive drinker, it seems the harms are less when you take alcohol together with Lamictal, provided the amounts of alcohol are moderate.

Like alcohol increasing the effects of Lamictal, Lamictal can increase the effects of alcohol. It is to be remembered that both are affecting the Central Nervous System (CNS). Certain medical conditions such as alcohol withdrawal and low blood sugar can cause seizures. It is very difficult to find out the actual cause of seizures. It can be caused by a brain injury too. If you take alcohol while on Lamictal, it becomes further complicated. As Lamictal can increase the effects of alcohol and other central nervous system depressants, you may feel more vulnerable after taking the usual amount of alcohol. If you are a regular drinker or if you are on a CNS depressant, talk to your doctor before taking Lamictal. Remember, alcohol may increase the severity of the side effects that lamotrigine can cause.

Lamotrigine, which is a clinically used drug, inhibits Na(+) channel activity which in turn reduces glutamate release. Lamictal's downstream activity on other neurotransmitter systems, for example serotonergic and dopaminergic has also been reported. It appears that both glutamate and monoamines might be involved in the urge for alcohol and relapse. Therefore it is to be examined if the effects of lamotrigine on alcohol are alcohol craving and relapse-like drinking behavior. However, certain tests suggest that lamotrigine has these effects when combined with alcohol.

If you are taking alcohol or other CNS depressants and choose to take Lamictal medication, check with your doctor before you start this medication. Strong possibilities are there that Lamictal might increase the alcoholic effects and CNS depressants. This will make you feel drowsier even with the same amount of alcohol that you used to take. Have yourself educated thoroughly on the effects that Lamictal can cause in you, before starting drinking. In case you feel anything unusual while combining alcohol with Lamictal, call your doctor for immediate medical attention.

Please let me know if you need any further info.
Jen x

[largactyl1]

Tramadol

Also, to drink with Tramadol is really stupid, it is a synthetic opiate.

[Casehardened]

i know all this sound random but surely somehow her character can be brought into court???

As the statements which you've referred to form part of the prosecution case, your barrister can call and cross-examine the witnesses who made the statements, and highlight the womans bad behaviour in the way he poses the questions. (the prosecution may well object but the questions will have been asked if not answered)

This won't apply though to the medical records and medication unless they were referred to in a statement, so you will need to follow RF's advice. (obviously in view of what Largactyl has just posted it is necessary)

[largactyl1]

Borderline Personality disorder

If my hunch is right about this woman, BPD has many behaviours attached to it - it is not classed as an organic illness in the same way as Bipolar and Schizophrenia are. Anyway, one very common "symptom" is dissociation which is a common experience for people with borderline personality disorder (BPD). People "zone out". A person with BPD feels "unreal" or when things around you look strange or unfamiliar. They sometimes lose periods of time, or have chunks of the day that they do not remember

Jen x

[witsend]

Dear landlady
The ordeal your son, and yourself, are going through must seem like a waking nightmare, he is so very young and the anguish it must be causing you must seem unbearable. Don't forget to try to look after yourself as somehow you have to stay strong for your son. What you read must have made you sick to the stomach, we never got to read the statement of our sons accuser, and in a way I'm glad. These women seem to fabricate such lies, and go on to destroy peoples lives. Try to keep your wits about you, a clear head is what you need now. Keep coming back here because as you have found out there are many many people in a similar situation. Thinking of you

[worriedfather]

Hi landlady
your local NHS trust should have a Medical information service who will be able to advise on what happens if you mix those drugs together, doctors often dont know. my daughter is a pharmacist and she told me about them, they will give evidence in court as to the effects and are classed as expert witnesses.
this will sound horrible but go through her statements and list all the contadictions then pass to your sol. You will be helping your son and giving your sol the ammo to destroy this allegation. it will be important to get your sol to include the doctors report in the evidence. when my son went to court the doctor had re-written his report and missed off the bit that she had NO BRUISING OR TEARS when she had claimed that she had been violenty raped. always remember that plod and the cps are out for aconviction not the truth. good luck

[Saffron]

Hi Landlady

Worried Father is right. Horrible and sickening though it is, you need to go through ALL the statements with a fine-toothed comb and list all the inconsistencies.

I also agree with Largactyl (Jen) that this woman sounds more as though she has BPD rather than genuine bi-polar (although of course I am not a doctor). Excellent and very helpful information from her - Jen you and Friday are our resident experts on MH issues!

You need to be prepared for the Crown to point out that being mentally ill (ie suffering from Bi-polar) does not preclude people from being raped and in fact people who are mentally ill are actually more likely to be raped as they are vulnerable.

I would say that the statements from the chap whose crotch she fondled and the woman whose house it was could be very helpful. Get your boxing gloves on and be prepared for a fight. The Crown will not mention anything that might help your defence, which is why you need to go through all the statements and pass on any discrepancies to your sol.

Chin up, keep fighting and please keep coming back. We are all here for you.

[landlady]

hi there everyone,

firstly thankyou all for your reply's.

Jen, i have a friend that is a manager in a high security mental hospital, she too has looked at the examining doctors report and said the same as you about the borderline personality disorder!!

can my son's barrister apply for her last pshyciatric report??????

i keep reading through my sons first statement the one in which he lied about any physical contact with her, its driving me mad, its so damning towards him.even down to when he tells of going upstairs to sleep on the woman who's house it were's bed. he said it was a single bed but i'm sure it would be a double, they'r going to use all this against him, saying he lied about the whole thing even when he told the truth later. i'm just so glad he told us the truth, going in and giving a new truthfull statement before dna came back probably saved him of a worse fate. i
sound like i'm giving in today, i'm so weary already, why has this happened to my lovely son who would never hurt a fly, who helps the old folk in the village who has been brought up to respect all women and men for that matter, why can't they see he lied because he was terrified. this is all so terrible how can this woman do this to my son.

the girl who's house it were has said she knows so much more about this woman but can't tell!!!

can our barrister make her tell or make some application to court for her to tell?????

i'm not sure what the married solicitor lover's field of work is in but i will find out. i know where he works.

when i read her statement as to what she told them at the rape crisis center, i get the impression that she is crying rape because she had sex and if she had caught anything from my son how would she be able to tell the lover, she couldn't have sex with him until she had had a GU clinic check up because if he caught anything from her theres a chance he would pass it on to his wife!!!! the easiest way out would be to say my son had raped her!

please god let all this be able to be brought into court, she sounds like a very strange woman in more ways than one!

please forgive my ranting yet again. every night i go to bed with all these thoughts going round and round in my head and when i wake they are still there.

i am trying not to let my son see my anguish, but i fear for his furture and freedom. he knows the lies were stupid but we can't go back and change them. its all so horrible.