Husband Accused of Rape

[Rights Fighter]

After the trial I attended in Birmingham last year, massive provable lies were told and they guys were still convicted I am afraid I rarely can credit jurors with any common sense at all.

Some defendants are fortunate in that they have juries with more than half a brain cell between them but there are those that have minus brain cells.

[LS]

I like to think the gene pool we get jurors from should no longer be the human one.

The Amoeba gene pool will do.

[mouse]

I agree fully with that,

Sorry Tony I hadn't realised. And I hadn't understood until reading your recent posts that you are suffering such harassment form the police. That must be absolutely awful. Have you taken legal advice on that?

I'm coming from the view of somebody who has worked on our cases with solicitors. Some of the emails I receive from you suggest you are very knowledgeable so I thought you had had similar experience.

You are absolutely spot on re keeping receipts when on licence. I also suggest that if one of our lads on licence is out and about to try to keep to places where there is CCTV. This has helped on several occasions where liars have pretended that their victim has been seen in areas where he is not allowed to go.

I visited somebody on Sunday in HMP Albany who is hoping to get parole (I doubt he will) but when he is out I warned him that he will be expected to sign in every few hours at a bail hostel. He seemed horrified by this but I explained that he can use this to his own advantage as if his liar claims she has seen him where he ought not to be - then by signing in every three hours or so will prove beyond all doubt that he cannot have been where has been claimed.

This worked for one of our guys who was in a bail hostel in London. His accuser claimed he had been in Colchester at the same time he signed on at the hostel.

For everything that might appear to be unjustified or awkward for our guys, I try to find an advantage. And that is one of them.

One thing you need to warn those on licenece or at bail hostel is that probation officers are stretched to the limit and have devised the most effective recycling system known in this recycling age, its called recall and is normally carried out under the catch all licence condition 'obey all reasonable instructions'. The probation service are short of millions of pounds of finance, have limited facilities and are losing staff that they can't replace at an alarming rate, even trying to import them from Canada and Australia. To counteract this they will recall everyone they can because it clears a slot in their agenda for another candidate whilst enabling them to tick the right boxes to provide paper evidence that they are doing a good job. However the percentage increase in recalls over the past few years has started to ring alarm bells within Government. Of interest when I was released from prison I had to attend a hostel. On arrival I was shown to my room where two guys dressed in boilersuits were working, they said on the TV aerial. I unpacked and was called to the office where the hostel probation officer and my prison probation officer started to tell me what I could and couldn't do, all outside the terms of my licence conditions and I objected as they knew I would and I siad I would see them in Court if they imposed those conditions. I left the office to walk back to the room and was met by one of the workmen, whom I had recognised as an ex prisoner. He siad quote ' we couldn't fix the aerial so have had to make a temp repair so I will have to show you what to do'. When we got to the room I opened the door and the workman went inside and picked up the TV control, as he did this both probation officers entered the still open door and told me I was breached for having someone in my room. It didn't come as a surprise to me and I was returned to prison within an hour of reaching the hostel. ( needless to say this destroyed my wife totally & she had a complete breakdown). I challenged the recall and we had to have two area board tribunals because the PO's came from different probation areas. During investigation I accumulated enough evidence to prove it was a set up, even to providing the name of the person who my room had already been allocated to for the next day. The Boards covered up and refused to provide transcripts of the hearings, even though I had independent witness with me from one of the help Orgs. Yes the system is so corrupt the average person would not believe the lies and manipulation of reports and pressure that are placed on anyone who insists on their innocence in prison and after. I could write a dozen books on my experiences and with the documents that I have covering everything from my trial right through prison and the 8 years since they had to release me without further probation interferrence. I believe it is even harder now to maintain innocence in prison and comply with licence conditions because of changes in law and extended licence conditions which are now a bit beyond me. Hope someone finds this interesting.

[LS]

"Not to do anything which undermines the purpose of your licence conditions" is the great catch all.

[Rights Fighter]

Mouse - ye gods and little fishes. Nothing surprises me any more.

One of my guys who did nearly nine years and is on licence for a few more months has been blackmailed into undertaking outside SOTP "in the third person" under threat of recall.

As his case is with a solicitor for a CCRC application and any participation with (alleged) offence related behaviour courses will usually result in CA refusing to listen to any of the arguments and grounds, he has a pre-prepared bog standard list of responses to all questions, which he now knows off by heart. So when he is "in the chair" he recites the whole thing.

That part of the course is now finished and he was "invited" (under threat of recall) to participate in another course which is supposed to be voluntary, called "Good Lives" - so he has now been provided with another list of responses.

Probation officer has noticed he is answering everything with the same responses so has suggested that he has "one-to-one" with her. He has given her a copy of the list of responses saying "I really do not want to waste your time, or mine, so here is exactly what I would tell you in any one-to-one session. My responses will never change. I am innocent and will always be so until the day I die".

All of this will have to be recorded so IF we are lucky enough to be referred to CA by CCRC, and CA are told that he has "undertaken" the course, there is plenty of evidence to show that he has ALWAYS denied the offences. Interestingly, the guys on the course with him first thought he was guilty but "in denial". Those same guys now spend much of the course telling probation that they now believe he is innocent.

Doubtless probation will assume he has groomed (fooled) them all.

[mouse]

Lol...par for course

Mouse - ye gods and little fishes. Nothing surprises me any more.

One of my guys who did nearly nine years and is on licence for a few more months has been blackmailed into undertaking outside SOTP "in the third person" under threat of recall.

As his case is with a solicitor for a CCRC application and any participation with (alleged) offence related behaviour courses will usually result in CA refusing to listen to any of the arguments and grounds, he has a pre-prepared bog standard list of responses to all questions, which he now knows off by heart. So when he is "in the chair" he recites the whole thing.

That part of the course is now finished and he was "invited" (under threat of recall) to participate in another course which is supposed to be voluntary, called "Good Lives" - so he has now been provided with another list of responses.

Probation officer has noticed he is answering everything with the same responses so has suggested that he has "one-to-one" with her. He has given her a copy of the list of responses saying "I really do not want to waste your time, or mine, so here is exactly what I would tell you in any one-to-one session. My responses will never change. I am innocent and will always be so until the day I die".

All of this will have to be recorded so IF we are lucky enough to be referred to CA by CCRC, and CA are told that he has "undertaken" the course, there is plenty of evidence to show that he has ALWAYS denied the offences. Interestingly, the guys on the course with him first thought he was guilty but "in denial". Those same guys now spend much of the course telling probation that they now believe he is innocent.

Doubtless probation will assume he has groomed (fooled) them all.

I have proved probation lies so many times and received an apology in one instance, but did that take some prising out of them.

[mouse]

Obviously changed it since my day but still ambiguous and allows for corruption

"Not to do anything which undermines the purpose of your licence conditions" is the great catch all.

Obviously changed it since my day but still ambiguous and allows for corruption

[LS]

One of my guys who did nearly nine years and is on licence for a few more months has been blackmailed into undertaking outside SOTP "in the third person" under threat of recall.

They did that to me. "Better Lives" they called it. I merely spent the entire time picking holes in it (while in the group) and generally not accepting their BS.

Typical quote from them was that "most people with depression commit sexual offences." I repeatedly informed them (and the group) that that was complete BS and that libido is the FIRST thing do disappear once depression sets in.

I set out with the express aim of undermining their lies that they would either throw me off the course or accept that I was falsely accused and therefore innocent.
Funny, they wouldn't eject me, but they and the others on the course knew I wasn't going to be taken for a fool, and every time they spouted lies I came out with the evidence to prove it so.

[Rights Fighter]

Typical quote from them was that "most people with depression commit sexual offences." I repeatedly informed them (and the group) that that was complete BS and that libido is the FIRST thing do disappear once depression sets in.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAATTT????? Then why aren't I getting any

[LS]

Dunno. All I know is it's completely wrong to say that once you're on antidepressants you're suddenly likely to mate with anything that moves.

[RFLH]

I'm saying nowt ...........

[mouse]

Courses

Important to mention here that whether inside or out never refuse to take a course or this will be used against you.
'I will sit on your course, but don't expect me to lie, make up stories or accept that I committed any offence or did anything wrong. I will continue to remind you that I am innocent.'

If you are pressured into signing anything always add the words 'under duress'

Hope this helps

[Rights Fighter]

In prison inmate protesting his innocence can agree to be assessed for SOTP but then will maintain his innocence so he cannot undertake this "voluntary" course.

My Welsh guy has learned to parrot the sentences that i have typed up and sent to him. Every other one runs along the line of:

"I am innocent of all allegations made against me, I am innocent of all charges I was convicted of.

I am here under duress and under threat of recall.

I am sorry but I cannot answer that question because no offence was committed.

I cannot know how a sex offender might be thinking when committing any sexual offences as apart from when I was in prison, and here in this group, as far as I am aware I have never spoken to a sex offender so would have no idea how or what they were thinking.

I cannot know how a genuine victim of sex abuse might feel, because as far as I know I have never met a true victim of sexual abuse.

I am sorry but I cannot answer these questions as relate to sex offences. As I have never committed a sex offence and because as far as I know I do not know anybody who has been a victim of sexual abuse, then I cannot relate to their thoughts and feelings.

I am innocent of everything I was convicted of.

I am not here voluntarily. I am here under duress because I have been told that I will be returned to prison if I do not undertake this course"......................

I emailed the list of "answers" and he prints them out to hand out at group and to his probation officer, at every meeting of the group. That way, there is evidence that he has always protested his innocence and that he undertook the course under duress.

One guy I know, while inside said he would do SOTP if he was transferred to a prison near to him family. Once there he refused point blank to do the course.

CA refused his appeal (his accuser retracted in a 4 1/4 hour video interview) because he SAID that he would undertake the course. The fact that he did not do it made absolutely no difference.

Protestations of innocence and repeatedly saying that he is attending outside SOTP under duress of recall to prison will hopefully prove to CA, that this is a genuine case of innocence.

[Rights Fighter]

Important to mention here that whether inside or out never refuse to take a course or this will be used against you.
'I will sit on your course, but don't expect me to lie, make up stories or accept that I committed any offence or did anything wrong. I will continue to remind you that I am innocent.'

If you are pressured into signing anything always add the words 'under duress'

Hope this helps

Excellent advice. I've only just noticed this and will add this to my "advice list". Thanks Tony.

[mouse]

Answers

In prison inmate protesting his innocence can agree to be assessed for SOTP but then will maintain his innocence so he cannot undertake this "voluntary" course.

My Welsh guy has learned to parrot the sentences that i have typed up and sent to him. Every other one runs along the line of:

"I am innocent of all allegations made against me, I am innocent of all charges I was convicted of.

I am here under duress and under threat of recall.

I am sorry but I cannot answer that question because no offence was committed.

I cannot know how a sex offender might be thinking when committing any sexual offences as apart from when I was in prison, and here in this group, as far as I am aware I have never spoken to a sex offender so would have no idea how or what they were thinking.

I cannot know how a genuine victim of sex abuse might feel, because as far as I know I have never met a true victim of sexual abuse.

I am sorry but I cannot answer these questions as relate to sex offences. As I have never committed a sex offence and because as far as I know I do not know anybody who has been a victim of sexual abuse, then I cannot relate to their thoughts and feelings.

I am innocent of everything I was convicted of.

I am not here voluntarily. I am here under duress because I have been told that I will be returned to prison if I do not undertake this course"......................

I emailed the list of "answers" and he prints them out to hand out at group and to his probation officer, at every meeting of the group. That way, there is evidence that he has always protested his innocence and that he undertook the course under duress.

One guy I know, while inside said he would do SOTP if he was transferred to a prison near to him family. Once there he refused point blank to do the course.

CA refused his appeal (his accuser retracted in a 4 1/4 hour video interview) because he SAID that he would undertake the course. The fact that he did not do it made absolutely no difference.

Protestations of innocence and repeatedly saying that he is attending outside SOTP under duress of recall to prison will hopefully prove to CA, that this is a genuine case of innocence.

Again thats excellent advice, I never had this problem don't know why, I agreed to do every course they had going, providing I did not have to admit guilt to something I had not done. Everytime they came back saying I was unsuitable for course? I understand that back then the prison received funding from Gov. for courses to the tune of over £1000,00 per bum on seat, a lot of incentive to make people do courses, & that was 10 years ago, what's it now? mouse