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I had to pay £45.00 an hour twice a week. It became very expensive, i even sold my car and downgraded so i could see my Daughter. CAFCASS only did one report, which like i said was totally bias towards her. The contact centre was great, the case worker or what ever they are called was fantastic, i represented myself and had no solicitor so every contact report was given to me at the next session. The family court paperwork is being used in the accusation of rape, my defence team had to go to the family court to ask for use as the ex had point blank refused to let us use them, only because she knows the amount of evidence against her and proof of her being a lier contained within them.
£45.00 per hour bloody hell - I am starting to realise how "lucky" I was
My child got taken into care from birth - that meant even though I was earning good money - I got sol free, contact centre free and I also got a parenting course free - and as I used to say (which used to piss them off) I got a free baby sitting service off the government.
I guess though fair play to you for sticking around - a lot of men would have walked away with all the **** u have gone through and what ever has happened at least you are doing the best by your daughter.
Again I was "lucky" with the accusations made at me - they were so un-believable and so un-true that they were just that
If she had of toned them down instead of wilfully exagarating and telling not stupid lies but down right lies which were easily proved to be lies then I could have been in a lot more trouble.
That leads me on the police - I think you coined it "keystone cop" policing.
I think as I got arrested in March 2008 - the OIC had a credit card bill to pay off from Xmas so he thought a bit of easy overtime and nicked me at 07:00 in the morning. He was useless to point of it - he did not know what he was doing and god help a real victim of crime - no wonder the police force in question are the worst in the country,
They then even further ****ed up by NFA instead of no crime - but a year and a half later and a lot of complaining I got that changed,
Yet I sent off for my CRB check in December and it still has not come through yet so God knows what is going to be on it.
As for her - well she got her punishment for lying - she had her baby taken off her at birth mainly to protect him from ME - The big bad evil rapist. Then several months later they realised I was not the big bad wolf - and in fact she was - so instead of giving the baby to her - they gave him to me. (not quite as easy as that) I had to do drugs tests, see a shrink and another one, do 2 assessments, go to a fact finding court hearing. Then I had to give up my job and move 160 miles away so the baby was nowhere near her.
I got the PLEASURE of seeing her cry in court. and I have got the bigger pleasure of having a beautiful baby boy to bring up and I am VERY proud of that.
Hi all, Been a while but things are not really progressing, just waiting for a directions hearing. Just wondering what you all make of this though. She has produced 9 audio recordings of me and her, the last 3 are a clear 5 months after the first 6 recordings and recorded in the week leading up to the allegation. They consist mostly of asking leading questions and making leading statements about alleged domestic violence during our relationship. The conversations do become heated and ive got to say that i do come accross quite frustrated at some points during parts of the recordings. She knows how to press my buttons as it were and this is apparent in how she manages to make me react the way she does. The general attitude from friends and family is that; 1: why would she be recording phone calls and a face to face conversation? 2: Why does she leave it 5 months to record me again and in the week leading up to allegation? 3:Why did she not inform the police about the recordings she made in May when she had me arrested in June? The CPS have listed them as unused material. Just wondering all your thoughts on this, cheers.
My take on it is that maybe she was planning to return to the family court to ask for your access rights to your daughter to be rescinded, quoting your behaviour as it comes over on the tapes.
Maybe she (or someone else) then came up with the rape allegation as being a better weapon?
With regard to the recordings in relation to the case, Rights Fighter recently posted that covert recordings cannot be used in evidence, hopefully she will be along later to confirm this. No doubt this is why the CPS have listed them as unused but, by the same token, you can't use them either.
However chin up, and keep searching for motives and defence angles.
I've found this on anothr site - its all to do with civil courts, but I should think its about the same for criminal.
I have used tape recorded telephone conversations in county court during civil proceedings quite successfully having transcripted the recording onto paper. I referred to the trsncript in my evidence and the circuit judge asked me what I had transcribed it from and I held the tape up. At the conclusion, the other party (defendant) was asked if he accepted my transcript as accurate - otherwise the tape would be played and compared with the transcript - the defendant accepted it was.
Covert recordings can be used - I recommend that a tape recorder is used as opposed to a digital recorder which can be manipulated using a computer and altered etc. It is a common misbelief that the other party has to be aware that a telephone conversation is being recorded to make it legally admissible - not so, the law states that one party must be aware - and that can be the party doing the recording.
It is normally an offence to "tap" a telephone where both parties are unaware of recording being taken, but the Home Secretary can authorise this in the interests of national security or for police purposes.
And God promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world. Then made the world round .... and laughed and laughed and laughed ..
I am pretty sure that you could use recordings SHE made, because she was aware she was being recorded. She would not be allowed to use them against you, because you were not aware you were being recorded.
Must admit it's strange that she would do this. Have you spoken to your sol about it?
I've found this on anothr site - its all to do with civil courts, but I should think its about the same for criminal.
I have used tape recorded telephone conversations in county court during civil proceedings quite successfully having transcripted the recording onto paper. I referred to the trsncript in my evidence and the circuit judge asked me what I had transcribed it from and I held the tape up. At the conclusion, the other party (defendant) was asked if he accepted my transcript as accurate - otherwise the tape would be played and compared with the transcript - the defendant accepted it was.
Covert recordings can be used - I recommend that a tape recorder is used as opposed to a digital recorder which can be manipulated using a computer and altered etc. It is a common misbelief that the other party has to be aware that a telephone conversation is being recorded to make it legally admissible - not so, the law states that one party must be aware - and that can be the party doing the recording.
It is normally an offence to "tap" a telephone where both parties are unaware of recording being taken, but the Home Secretary can authorise this in the interests of national security or for police purposes.
In criminal cases I think you will find that an application has to be made to the judge for covert recordings to be submitted as evidence and that application may not necessarily succeed. However the best person to ask is your solicitor and/or barrister as procedures change over time.
And God promised men that good and obedient wives would be found in all corners of the world. Then made the world round .... and laughed and laughed and laughed ..
No you are not talking tripe - you've posted up a valid point and as I said procedures change quite often so it's always best to double check with the sol/barrister first.
And of course, it depends on the judge and how fair he or she is.
Hi, Firstly thank you for all the responses. I do of course have regular contact with my solicitor and barrister, however your all a huge help. Second thing is, i understand that text and recorded phone calls can be used as evidence, what i am wondering is can text and recordings be used if no time or date is attached to them? I am collating all text and phone calls into a more readable format (gives me something to do and frees' my legal team up to chase the inadequate CPS for full disclosure, they are a over a month late)!! and although the police are only using a small number of text that she sent, very few of them are dated and timed. I was always of the thinking that fact needed to backed up by evidence? A text with no date or time or a recording could have been made at any time. I await with baited breath your responses.
Last thing, well done to Jack Tweed and his mate for being aquited. Another selfish girl making up stories and doing the easyest thing a scorned/evil/twisted/sick/etc... woman can do; pick up the phone and cry rape. I hope she feels the full force of the law to make her understand you cant put people through this sort of thing for personal gain!!
Second thing is, i understand that text and recorded phone calls can be used as evidence, what i am wondering is can text and recordings be used if no time or date is attached to them? I am collating all text and phone calls into a more readable format (gives me something to do and frees' my legal team up to chase the inadequate CPS for full disclosure, they are a over a month late)!! and although the police are only using a small number of text that she sent, very few of them are dated and timed.
Hi & and it's great that you are being pro-active in your defence, this is motivating for yourself and for your legal team.
I'm assuming that you're transcribing all the texts you've had from her onto paper or a cd to make it easier to see the overall pattern and tone of the messages rather than looking at them one by one on the phone. My phone records date and time of received and sent texts as a header to the content, presumably they all do this, so as long as they haven't been deleted you could submit the phone as evidence to back up the transcription. (it may well be that the police will also do this with the texts they are using)
Not sure about the phone calls though, your phone might have a call log for recent calls but I doubt it will record the calls (hopefully someone who hasn't been left behind in the technology stakes will correct me if I'm wrong)
Casehardened, You're quite right - at the moment there isn't a way for mobile phones to record their phone calls, other than logging the number dialled or received.
Phone manufacturers are too busy faffing around with touchscreens and keypads to worry about getting this on the market. Plus I think there'd be privacy issues if there was a way of getting, say, your phone's dictafone mode to operate during a call, especially in this litigious time.
You haven't been left behind.
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