Sentenced to 5 years for false Rape accusation

[Fats1964]

My son is now taken away for 5 years.

What a disgraceful case and a unanimous guilty verdict!

December 2008 in Doncaster in South Yorkshire UK, on what some call the "MAIN PARTY STREET" it seems it is ok for a woman to shout rape after a night of drinking, dirty dancing, masturbating men and herself on them and never stopping to say no, until after the event. But there wasn't a rape - she lied.

It gets better! the so called "victim" had sex in Trilogy with another man first, but we cant name him yet!

The Police on 2 occasions tried to stop a witness coming forward on my sons behalf.

What is a shame and disgrace on South Yorkshire Police and CPS, is that they knew they had not followed procedure, and hide evidence, conduct interviews while he is still drunk.

But we know why and that is the same old matter of statistics, and to try and get more convictions against men.

And again you cant make up evidence but you can hide it.. it seems

And while a man awaits his fate, after several months behind bars and costs of up to £500,000 for a court case, and it seems the lawyers for prosecution and defence have agreed, beforehand what story they will put to the jury, without the consent of the accused or his family. This matters because with all evidence available the story presented to the jury will change and prove the accused was not there at the supposed time of the rape claim.

What can we do? The CPS are conniving with the Police, the lawyers will not talk to us, and we cannot get in touch with the judge Mr Recorder A Campbell QC. And it appears we are helpless in wanting to have all the evidence shown, well for the sake of real justice and peace of mind for all of us and public interest, this must go on.


They almost had me thinking he was guilty, with evidence they told me of, but when you see it, you know there is alot missing.

We say other people were there but the CPS have edited out cctv evidence, and although my son was with the lady earlier in the night, she was mugged by one or two other men.

And what is this going to do now, well it will increase damage of the justice system, put women off who have been really raped, tell those who cry wolf for compensation they can do it again, build up on the already corrupt Police and CPS, increase the not guilty in our prisons, and add to those despairing of wrong doing by our authorities.

Oh and dont forget the accused repeatedly asks solicitors for a lie detector test.

If you own a business in Doncaster on Silver Street we may need you, mainly opposite Hogans Bar and surrounding businesses.

20th December 2008 Silver Street rape approx 5.30am, we need witnesses and missing cctv please help.

Regards

A remorsing heartbroken father wanting justice for all concerned.

Update 28th July 2009

A biased jury finds guilty by unanimous vote.
The jury obviously swayed by a clip of a woman being dragged by an unknown man, and ignoring all other evidence.
An appeal will be launched, 3 areas of concern.
1. CCTV helping my son was not shown, but mainly CCTV that would prove his innocence was not shown.
2. The "victim" lied
3. Our defence were, very poor, did not listen, and did not plan their course of action with the accused, then made an almighty cock up, when for an unknown reason made my son change some statements.

Oh my god 5 years!

Oh yes as she told another witness, she just wanted her compensation for a "party holiday"!

The solicitors we are dumping are Number 1 Law in Doncaster and we are going to GV Hale in Doncaster.

At least the barrister for GV Hale would talk to us! Sorry GV Hale for not staying with you.


Even reporters for Doncaster Free Press and Doncaster Star showed surprise at the verdict.

This is obviously a setup and when you get a convincing lying woman (no names yet) people are going to believe her.

At no moment on any CCTV can you recognise my son, by face.

This so called vindictive disgraceful "victim" who planned what she was doing, will be named and shamed, but we have the appeal to win first and have his record cleared.
Then I suppose she can have a spell in prison, as she is the one who caused all of this.

[utterlydestroyed]

Sorry to hear

Sympathy!

False allegation affects deeply the families & friends of those falsely accused too!

I understand only too well police corruption...police deemed FORTY EIGHT defence witness statements as inadmissiable...FORTY EIGHT!!!!

I'm still fighting Devon & Cornwall Constabulary corruption.

To find a criminal...all you need do is just visit a police station!

[RFLH]

Hi Fats1964, I'm so sorry to see that another family is going through the torment that is well known here.

It's also best if you don't go into too much detail as this is an open forum and you never know who is reading it.

[Fats1964]

Many Thanks

I know what idiots the Police and CPS are, and I intend to get my son out and make all details about the accuser public - afterwards, If things do not move in the right direction, I shall make websites in countries that our authorities cannot touch, and I have offers of much more besides.

Although the lying vindictive cruel "woman" will not be named until after the appeal, same goes for the "bent" police officers etc.

We can not let these scum, get the better of us.

When it comes to my son, I dont think there is anything I would not do, legal or otherwise. We know he is not guilty, even his first barrister saw the CCTV where it was another man.

But he could not come forward, as his defence would not let him, as it spoilt their story.

Thanks
Blowing a gasket - Dad

[quinnb]

I shall make websites in countries that our authorities cannot touch, and I have offers of much more besides.

Whereas I totally agree with you - if that was my son and he was innocent then I would be spitting blood to

However don't be so sure about creating websites in other countries - I got into all sorts of trouble over mine even though it is US Based - they don't care pretty much. Also as I know to very well you can push these people but stay in the law for the moment you step out of it they will be down on you like a tonne of bricks!

[RFLH]

well said quinn.

They're very good with easy targets .....

[quinnb]

Not just that - in the eyes of the law this young man is guilty of a heinous crime and the victim should be protected at all costs!
The reality of it may be different of course but the law comes above everything else.
As for this guy also saying after his son comes out the woman involved will spend a spell in prison - I am afraid that is just wishful thinking.
He will be lucky enough indeed to get the conviction over turned let alone get her prosecuted as well. My experience tells me the police don't like doing that as it deters genuine victims from coming forward.

[quinnb]

Oh sorry one more point he makes about the accused repeatingly asking for a lie dectector test.
Sorry to say the Yanks may love them and Jeremy Kyle may love them but that is about it - again in law it makes no difference. And they are more of an art than a science. If they actually worked you could scrap trials entierly.


Did you do it - A No - machine you are lying goto jail or you are telling the truth you are free to go - that would simplfy things!

[frankgallagherwasere]

Protecting what and whom?

A big question is who or what are they protecting. From my case I know there only protecting their own criminality - the justice system is fundamentally corrupt.

Your experience is all too common and many forced to plead guilty as their own defence threaten them with the potential of long sentences. I know many innocent whom only thought of family and freedom so took a guilty plea and some still got hammerded !!

I cant add only agree on all you said, but its not just South Yorkshire is national - although there are pockets some worse than others BUT Yorkshire is a hot spot for such methods of sinister collusion between defence and crown.

Not only that no one wants to listen and fewer still want to help. Those whom supposedly are the voice of those falselt accused are nothing more than government appeasement organisations with stupid epetitions that are so pathetic there silly and laughable. Your not fighting just accusers your fighting the state and thats the reality !!

[Rights Fighter]

Hello Fats1964

I note you say you will appeal on three grounds:

1. CCTV helping my son was not shown, but mainly CCTV that would prove his innocence was not shown.
2. The "victim" lied
3. Our defence were, very poor, did not listen, and did not plan their course of action with the accused, then made an almighty cock up, when for an unknown reason made my son change some statements.


I will go through what won't or probably will not work:

2: You need to understand that appeals cannot get off the ground because the "victim" lied. If the jury heard that the victim lied in evidence, yet still convicted then that cannot be a ground with which to appeal.

Because you say that the "Victim" lied and committed perjury, unless you can prove it (this was not proved at trial sufficiently enough to have any impact on the jury) then this argument will go nowhere.

3: It is VERY RARE that the CA (Court of Appeal) will accept that the defence "team" stuffed up so badly that they will allow an appeal. More appeal applications fail on the grounds of **** defence than on any other ground.


Number 1: What was the reasoning behind the decision not to adduce the CCTV evidence?

Was this subject to legal argument during the course of the trial? If it was not, did the barrister or solicitor explain to you why this evidence was not used?

I do not understand how your son could be persuaded to change his statements. His statements are usually the police interviews and/or the initial defence statement made prior to trial or defence statement instead of a police interview, if he was advised to go "no comment" throughout his police interview.

[frankgallagherwasere]

If ONLY it was that simple

Unfortunately once again I have to side with RF and agree none of these 3 facts on their own or even together are enough to gain the right to appeal - however and its a BIG however, thats just a quick and simple answer.

Your fighting to prove the system did your son wrong, not just the accuser. That means you have a lot more avenues to consider, and you have to start right at the beginning and go through the whole case step by step to final conclusion - convictions.

First off don't listen to any lawyer do your own homework first and only then once your confident you know your stuff - attack with your evidence and arguements at hand. You might find they have to stfu and listen to you.

But what RF says is right, the judicial are the last people on earth to admit their wrong - they know that already and they know you know. They have their result now you have to prove they were wrong and corrupt in gaining their conviction.

The one thing in your favour with appeal is that appeal judges are not stupid and play by the rules properly and less corrupt with less collusion. However, to think its as easy as just making sweeping statements your not accepting reality and your going to be disappointed and hurt all over again.

[Rights Fighter]

Soz FG I don't agree with this:

First off don't listen to any lawyer do your own homework first and only then once your confident you know your stuff - attack with your evidence and arguements at hand. You might find they have to stfu and listen to you.

Lawyers know more than the bog standard lay person what will work.

I have watched too many people send off applications to the CA and/or CCRC using their own arguments, completely disregarding advice that this will be a complete waste of time. when it's been rejected they cannot understand why - when it has already been explained to them months and months before.

I've dealt with appeal applications where the would-be applicant insists on going through the case with me, insists on telling me what their "grounds for a appeal are", and it's been a complete and utter waste of my time.

First and foremost I prefer to read the paperwork with no input from "interested parties" unless I ask questions.

That way I can come to my own conclusion of the case without having matters muddied by opinion, what the would-be applicant and/or their families/supporters say occurred etc.

Once I have gone through the caseload myself I can see that sometimes what has been told to me in forceful tones as "fact" has been in reality what they "think" happened, their opinion or "it was just a feeling we got".

It's best to prepare a background of the case with FACTS:

Date of trial, from and to; judge and both counsel; trial number; case for the Crown; case for the defence; what legal argument occurred; what you think went wrong at trial (in short bullet pointed paragraphs with 1.5 line-spacing so that makes for easy reading.

Don't bring in anything such as "I know the barrister for defence was a friend of the judge as I saw them chatting". they could well have gone to the same law school and are long time friends - that doesn't mean anything untoward has occurred at trial in relation to that.

When somebody presents a box of paperwork to me that is not sorted (into Crown and Defence cases; then separated out into various statements and in date order) then I tend to leave it until I have nothing better to do.

If you want the work to be taken seriously then present it well and easy to read.

If you have arguments, do not present them in one very long paragraph, with no punctuation. As I said before, present it in an easy to read style, 1.5 line spacing with short paragraphs, bullet pointed.

When a case arrives like that for me to review I am more likely to jump on it straight away.

So basically, if you want to put your views forward do it in a sensible easy to read fashion.

[frankgallagherwasere]

Lawyer is taken from the American courts and is the same as our Barristers not Solicitors. In defence trials the solicitor prepares and the Barrister delivers - who is to say your Solicitor was good and your Lawyer wasn't as one doesnt see what documentation passes between them.

By going throught the case step by step you might remember something new or you might see a pattern where words were used out of context and therefore the jury were mis-informed.

On my case review the Solicitor went throught it before talking to me and only then could we consider the mistakes made. His comment was it wasnt for him to say that my Barrister was in collusion with the Crown only that it showed inexperience and nievity.

Then afterwards we had an off the record chat and that confirmed everything I suspected. For many your not only fighting your accuser and crown council - your fighting your own defence.

[Rights Fighter]

I am wondering whether the judge believed your lad was guilty as he could have received a custodial sentence of between 7 years to life. How old is he? If he is a minor then that might explain the lenient sentence.