Should false accusers automatically be charged by the state?

[Narrow Door]

I am collecting responses to the above question in a simple yes/no/undecided poll on twitter;

https://twitter.com/thatnarrowdoor/s...54870917042176

The poll has been followed with some beautifully intellectual opinions and debates as you can see so I am posting link here as an opportunity for people to air their opinion and add to the poll by voting too. I have been backwards and forward from compassion and forgiveness to anger and hatred towards my FA and I am doing this poll in an attempt to work through some of the conceptions and ideas that we naturally hold when somebody has wronged us.

Thank you for your time and God bless.

ND

[Narrow Door]

Poll Results

Should false accusers automatically be charged by the state?

Yes; 83%
No; 4%
Undecided; 13%

[AmandaF]

https://www.facebook.com/southyorksh...nf&pnref=story

Just thought I'd post this here- apparently in South Yorkshire there are a couple of officers specially trained to detect those who are lying, possibly in response to the grooming scandal- a lot of opportunities there to jump on the FA bandwagon

[Rights Fighter]

Detect those who are lying? What - and then groom them into making more plausible allegations to meet conviction targets?

Sorry. I know I sound cynical.

The "fixed penalty notice" is really going to send out the right message to liars, isn't it...... NOT

[wakingnightmare]

Nowhere did the officer mention the damage done to those falsely accused - says it all really.

So angry at the moment

[AmandaF]

No really RF- when we first moved here we were assigned to a social worker who specialises in risk assessment for sexual offenders. She told me of several cases where allegations had been made, particularly by minors and if it was suspected to have been false these officers were called in , Apparently they do weed out the false from the real. She was telling me of several case she had been involved with, most were custody/ divorce battles and it was shown that a parent was behind it all

[AmandaF]

If you think about what happened here with the grooming scandal (trials are going on at the moment) it'a carte blanche for any number to jump on the bandwagon and make allegations so I assume these officers were put in place to ward off a possible barrage of false claims.

But once again what you hear in the media is the tip of the iceberg. As is usual with sexual crimes , too many never come out of the sgadows, preferring to put it behind them and get on with their lives rather than dredge up the horrors

[Rights Fighter]

It doesn't help that the media keeps banging on about "compensation" for "victims". Germany changed that to top notch therapy - much more helpful for the genuine victims of abuse.

[Jerome Goulding]

I am not sure if I am in the right forum, but here goes . . .

I have been in battle with Devon and Cornwall constabulary and North Yorkshire Police for over 3 years. I was arrested in September 2012 on a suspicion that I might have been involved in being in possession off and distributing indecent images of children. The arrest took place very publically (at the college I was working) 11 police officers were involved in searching of all my possessions I had, including all my electronic items (computer, camera, USB storage devices), my house 300 miles away in the hands of my lodger-house sitter (as I only stayed there less than 8 weeks a year), my rented flat provided by my college employers, my car and my garage. I was released on bail for 3months. During which time I lost my job within 11 days. The upshot was that the police found 'zero' evidence to support my being involved with any criminality. They had determined through profiling that as my lodger-house sitter had been caught in possession of indecent images (for which he was prosecuted) I must also be involved as I owned the house and worked in a college.

After 18 months of enquiries into police actions I have only managed to get an acknowledgement of the torture and abuse two officers from North Yorkshire Police inflicted on me, during my detention - they were both subject to disciplinary oversight. The reasons for my arrest were never entered into the custody record of North Yorkshire Police, other than Devon and Cornwall Constabulary called for my arrest to preserve evidence. A local resolution enquiry was held by Devon and Cornwall Constabulary in May 2014 and they have never been able to justify my arrest.

I have gone from being a senior 'trusted professional' to frankly being dispossessed.

When you are falsely accused and arrested for a serious crime , such as that of a sexual offence you are on a slippery slope. If you know deep down that you are innocent of the allegations, you will find that your life quality is heading ‘downwards’, very rapidly. You will (in all probability) lose your job the moment your boss finds out you have been arrested, moreover when the reasons behind your arrest are revealed. The employer will find a cause, vague or not, for dismissing you. There are mechanisms such as taking your employer to court or appeal against their decision, but you will need funding (something which is going to be in very short supply from the moment you are arrested). The supply of ‘good character’ references will become history.

Your work colleagues, family and friends are going to be eager to distance themselves from you. An enduring isolation will follow. You will learn to deceive (maybe something you previously never did). You will try and rationalise events and ‘brave face it’ for much of the time. Any medical/mental health involvement will be short lived. Maybe some counselling, if you are in for the battle to get some. No forgetting that Mental Health professionals are human, so there might be awkward interactions as they play with their own troubled ‘trust’ issues of ‘no smoke without fire’ determining that you must have some guilt. Meanwhile the police will demonstrate their lack of intellect and ability to present a coherent argument for the reasons behind your arrest in the first place.

You will quickly go from being very level headed, methodical, trusting and supported to a shrivelling wreck. Expect loads of tears, anger and frustration. You have been given, by the police, (with them acting as judge and jury) a life sentence for doing nothing wrong; treated by a ‘public court of judgement’ as one of the most alien persons in society. You will become dispossessed and you will groomed by police actions into radical thought.

It is notoriously difficult to salvage a reputation after an erroneous arrest, and there are few, if any, opportunities for redress. You are certainly not going to do this through any fair and just way; with money becoming a serious matter so courts are out of the question. Accept the police cultural attitude of them dealing with you as one of the ‘winging mad men’, who claim how badly hurt they are. Just accept that you are ‘Collateral Damage’ within the system. The Police will be comforted by their protected status and know that their moral dispatch will see them through to a very nice pension indeed (something you will not have!).
Positive things you can do.

If you are thinking about taking your own life, think deeply about the consequences. The police and public will associate ‘guilt ‘ with any action you take, especially if you do so before being released from any police enquiries. If you do take your life you are in an absolute ‘loose, loose’ situation as you will be ranked as ‘one of those’ who is clearly guilty and it was the ‘guilt of an offender’ that drove you to your death. Do not give further ammunition to the police and the ‘No smoke without fire!’ peddlers.

Consider if you want to put yourself through the agony of living in fear of others and protect yourself. Isolation and self-imposed ‘house arrest’ often has the desired effect, but you will suffer mental health issues through this - without any one knowing if you are alive or dead. Limit the damage, which will befall you and your family. Make moves to not putting yourself through the embarrassing conversations with your mortgage company about the reasons why you can no longer afford your mortgage or pay back any debtors. Any retirement plans you had are now completely derailed. You will now stop answering the phone, especially from your creditors or any others who intend on verbally abusing you. You will create a stack of unopened letters. You will have to explain, with supplying intimate details to the benefits agency, why you have lost your job. (Good luck with that one, especially if they understand you through any emotional gibbering). You will be constantly being asked ‘when are you going to return to employment?’ or ‘when will you be in the position to pay back your debt?’

With no good character references, barely any money to pay for shoes in the likely event of you getting an interview and a break in your work history which will need full explanation, you will find it painfully awkward to get a job.

It all sounds very negative, but sadly I've been (like others) put through hell on earth and often conclude that my deaths would have much more than my life.

[AmandaF]

It isn't only sexual offences.
I was arrested and charged with threatening and abusive behaviour, intimidating a witness and ultimately attempting to pervert the course of justice. (joke in itself).

I was never interviewed after being arrested, never asked one single question by anybody yet when I appeared in court to answer bail, the sheriff , in his wisdom, banned me from my home there and then. I presume he was not aware I had a ten year old child as that left both of us homeless with only what we stood up in to our name.

I am a registered nurse and immediately told my senior managers what had happened. I am very fortunate in that they took no action, neither did the NMC.

Eventually, due to child care problems and being unable to pay rent and a mortgage , I left my much loved job and moved back to my native Yorkshire.
Our home has now been repossessed and every time I speak to anyone in "authority" - social work, probation and the like- to do with my OH's case of course I had to leave the village bacause of what he had done. Nothing could be further from the truth as, unlike your unfortunate story, people where we lived knew what our FA;s were and we had loads of support.

I get very homesick for the life we lost. Our home has now been repossessed and I am facing certain bankruptcy. My OH is released in january.

I will not lie down and take this. These sub-humans need to be prosecuted

[Arsenal12]

So sad to read about your story...........Sir.....

I can relate to many of the problems you have faced/going through.......

My employer dismissed me......because I use to work for a government agency.......
Had to sign on to job seekers benefit..........

Like you correctly point out....they ask all the ins and outs of why? When? Where?........

I agree as would many others "reputation is tarnished"...... The damage caused by such vile.... Hideous....False allegations..... Are nothing short of life shattering......

In fact I doubt there is even a word in the English dictionary that can describe such.......horrendous pain and torment.....

Repossessed home......I've been there.....too sadly

But people in our shoes have to be mentally strong....like you so greatly point out ending your own life..is definitely not the route to take.............. I feel your pain I really do.......

I sincerely wish you all the best in the future.....

And id like to thank you for your post........as many people reading your post on this forum can relate...to the horrendous emotional pain you have suffered and are currently going through......

Best wishes
Kind regards
A12

[Jerome Goulding]

My envolving 'story' . . . .

The whole incident of how I was falsely accused, then arrested and detained has been recently recorded and placed in a journal website. This is a cathartic exercise, suggested by the local mental health team as a way to express myself. In its deliverance, it has an intention. Originally to breach my low mood days when I felt suicidal. Primarily it is there so that if I were to 'fall' it acts as a public record (it is paid up in advance for two years) for others to judge the wrongness of my situation. It is an offloading of much of my anger. http://www.false-arrest.co.uk

[Jerome Goulding]

The two police officers found guilty of failing a guy accused of being a paedophile and murdered by vigilantes.

The Bijan Ebrahimi murder trial and prosecution of a PCSO and police officer, yesterday, may start a process of police officers taking the needs of those falsely accused seriously. Bijan sought help from police officers in Birmingham, fearful of vigilantes; he was treated by the police as a 'liar and nuisance'. It starts to bring home the polices impotence to support those falsely accused of being paedophiles. Bijan's limited contact with the police was when he was arrested for a 'breach of the peace'. This measure (according to court records) was to enable the police to 'shut him up' and quell his use of police time.

There have been countless reported incidents of vigilantes attacking property and vulnerable isolated people, which in large the aftermath of which demonstrate weak token gesture investigations and are generally ignored by the courts processes. Leaving the victim of vigilante behaviour in a quandary. We are all aware fundamentally, that on accusation of any related peadophile activity, a 'death warrant' has been 'signed'. Certainly it is unheard of that the police step in to defend the accused individual. If the police themselves make the accusation, then it feeds in to vigilantes acrimony. Actions which some police officers clearly condone.

With all the failings which were revealed to the court, I do hope that the court does at least imprison these officers to send a clear message about how vulnerable a person becomes, when they are accused of being a paedophile. For someone in my position who knows that information about me being put in the public domain, made delinquent by police actions raises the game stakes to high risk of vigilante threat and action. Wishfully we may see the start in the process of creating a balance and force the police to review their culture of acceptance; that their 'nods and winks' with the lack of taking the falsely accused victim concerns seriously might turn on themselves. As the police fight their own demons about their past failing, to act in supporting child victims of abuse, this issue will remain on the back burner until sufficient murders and suicide deaths have occurred. In the course of time, maybe not in my lifetime, their will become many prosecutions of individual police officers who through their historic misconduct have allowed death to occur and failed to protect the vulnerable.

'Watch this space' on the sentence the court delivers on the two police personnel (Do you thing I might be a bit cynical?).

[Shah]

I have read what you put and like others I feel your pain.
Everthing you put just hits the nail on the head.

My son gets sentenced tommorow shall tell him to get his
defence to sit with the prosecution as they might as well
have been there in the first place!

as you and others say its a life sentence!

Shame we just all sit back and take this s5i55


Yes be very interesting to see what they get!

[Staystrong1]

Shocking

I have just read this article and cannot beleive how these police officers treated this man. It is shocking that he died pleading for help. IT will be extremely interesting to see what happens to them. i dont know how they can live with themselves. Its bad enough to be falsely accused of the worst crime possible but to be murdered and his cries for help to the police and ignored is indefensible.