A Collective Voice

[AmandaF]

How do folk feel about trying, in some way, to all come together and fight our injustices?? I have no idea where to start, but I just feel that we are all suffering, isolated in our own personal hell with nowhere to go.
Does anyone have any ideas, or are there existing organisations that are campaigning for change?

[Genuine]

How do folk feel about trying, in some way, to all come together and fight our injustices?? I have no idea where to start, but I just feel that we are all suffering, isolated in our own personal hell with nowhere to go.
Does anyone have any ideas, or are there existing organisations that are campaigning for change?

Hi AmandaF

It would be great to come together and let everyone know how we suffer through these terrible accusations. Personally i think when a complainant goes to the police it should be their job to investigate but not in an irrational way like they do at the moment. I also believe social workers should be questioned in their approach when dealing with children of the defendant.

We suffer psychologically and go through trauma as well. As well as losing our families, jobs and life.
I stand with you - what if we start some kind i petition or get someone from parliament ( cant remember that blokes name that was accused of rape) to help us with this ?

[AmandaF]

Nigel Evans?? Yes I thought about taking my plight to him. In my experience the police DON'T investigate- they merely take statements that don't add up then with the current climate of hysteria everyone runs with the case, the jury don't listen to the evidence (at our trial at least one of them fell asleep) - all they see is a child abuser . As for social workers- my grandson was GIT interviewed and the SW actually said they had to hold back the chuckles when they asked him about his bedtime routine. All he said was that he looks in the mirror to check his 6-pack was still growing!! But then it was put to me by another SW that he lied to cover up out of a sense of loyalty. I have told the current SW that yes my partner and I will be carrying on our relationship, even with restrictions imposed. The thing is SW's read books and want humans to fit what they've learnt. We don't.
As for loss, we lost a business, I had to leave my job and relocate back to my hometown so I could be supported by my family and friends, our previous home is about to be repossessed and I will most likely have to declare myself bankrupt, all this while those **&^%$% spend their compensation. It sickens me to the core. I'm just very very fortunate that I managed to secure another post despite having a very dodgy DBS check, which is something else that will haunt me for the rest of my working life. Not to mention the fact that I have become a virtual recluse, trusting no-one. But bless my boy here- he has soldiered on and despite all the upheaval he has had to endure, he is a settled, clever well-behaved polite, friendly young man who wants to do well at school. All that considering he has been brought up by a sex offender and a potential child killer. Rant over.

So yes, any we need to move our case forward!! I don't have any experience of organising petitions or protests if need be but I'm willing to learn

[WhyUs]

Hi AmandaF

I am willing to help, although like you I don't have much experience. My husband is currently waiting for trial and the inconsistencies in the police investigation so far is ludicrous. They are not interested in finding the truth, all they want is to hit their crime targets. They have no consideration for the anguish, upset and loss of normal life that it has, not just for the accused, but for their families, including children. Regardless of the final outcome, there will always be a stigma left. They insist on calling these liars 'victims', but aren't the accused victims as well ... victims of their blinkered vision, believing that no one would dare lie about such a thing ... sorry I could go on ranting for ages... I will jump off my soap box .. for now!!

Surely there is others, as well as Nigel Evans, that could be approached. Didn't Freddie Starr try to do something or ma I mistaken?

[Genuine]

Hi

Yes Nigel Evans , Freddie Starr, Jim Davidson and a whole host of other celebrities. Also quite recently the journalists from the Sun newspaper. I know this wasnt of sexual cases but they were accused of something they didnt do.
I'm really suprised that they havent done anything to put pressure on the justice system or are they so glad that nothing has come from it that they dont want to get on the wrong side of the police ???

As for the so called SS - they cornered me into signing something to say i wouldnt have anything to with my family whatever the outcome of the case. ' conspiracy to rape' i was also told that if i did have a relationship with him they would be knocking on my door everyday to make sure my children hadn't be sexually abused. Wtf ???

Here's a question ....? What if i said this male social worker and the oic had tried it on with me would they suffer the same way i have ? Would their lives be put on hold and would they be separated from their children ? Would they lose thier jobs and their respect ? After all accusers never lie ... Do they ??

And breathe ....!!!!

[AmandaF]

Genuine- I actually asked that of the male SS we had- I put it to him that I would consider making an allegation and he was a bit uncomfortable with it. As yet I have signed nothing and I will not. My grandson has had supervised contact with my partner- as a family- all the time the case has been going and is allowed on visits to prison once a month. I am also considering seeing a family lawyer about getting him back here with us on release, after all, he's brought my boy up since he was 2 and has done a sterling job and above all it's what my grandson wants. I asked the SS why bother asking his views and then saying no- better not to say owt at all! AS far as I'm concerned my boy is the only child victim in this debacle.

Anyway, back to the point!! What do we do?? Start a petition? Write a letter containing all our points we wish to make and delivering it to number 10? It may take a while to do this, but even discussing it is a start.
There are so many of us!! And I'm also aware that some are awaiting trial, others awaiting appeal so we have to guard some of what we say.

My final point is this : if all children are to be believed, how come my grandson wasn't??

[Innocentguy1983]

I would definitely have something to say.

My gripe is definitely with the police/cps... they are dirty dirty dirty people..

Im not saying they all are, and it would be wrong to say so... im sure there are fantastic police... but the ones on my case grrr *spits*

[YearsOfHell]

Police "investigations"

Yes, the police will only use what they want to use when making a file for the CPS.
On a separate matter, the OIC had 17 people to talk to about an alledged offence that I was witness to.
She spoke to all of us but when the file went to the CPS there were just 4 statements included.
All the others were statements that seriously compromised the case the police were trying to make so they simply left them out of the investigation.
The guy didn't do what was alledged by the "victim" because I was there! But funnily enough my statement wasn't given to the CPS. All the 13 people not included said it never happened! So they were never used.
It stinks! It stinks more when you're on the receiving end of their "investigation" techniques!!!
Anything we can do to stop this is fine with me!

[jittery]

hi

Yes, the police will only use what they want to use when making a file for the CPS.
On a separate matter, the OIC had 17 people to talk to about an alledged offence that I was witness to.
She spoke to all of us but when the file went to the CPS there were just 4 statements included.
All the others were statements that seriously compromised the case the police were trying to make so they simply left them out of the investigation.
The guy didn't do what was alledged by the "victim" because I was there! But funnily enough my statement wasn't given to the CPS. All the 13 people not included said it never happened! So they were never used.
It stinks! It stinks more when you're on the receiving end of their "investigation" techniques!!!
Anything we can do to stop this is fine with me!

Yes, I feel that something should be done. Raising an awareness of the fact that people can and do quite often in cases like this would be a start, also there is no awareness amongst the people I've spoken to that compensation is available for alleged victims. All slightly different from your angle, but also there is no awareness of how the definitions for what can constitute rape have changed. The whole argument for going beyond "no means no" is ludicrous in my view, as only a mind reader would be capable of realising that.

[can it get worse]

Count me in. Call me cynical though but I'm not convinced the petition thing will have any effect. Contact with Nigel Evans would be worthwhile - I would hope??

I'm disgusted with SS - in theory they are in place to do a much needed job but in reality .............??

[AmandaF]

I didn't realise that no conviction is necessary for victims to claim criminal injuries compo- it can be up to £30,000 , however in the case of Jimmy Saville claims are being made against his estate. I don't know how to move this on- there are so many aspects to these cases, for example police trawling is very common as I believe happened in my partner's case. Just how do we raise awareness, and with whom? I've just seen a very new post about a 14 year old accused. Another family going through hell. And as my daughter, who is very aware of women's rights, commented- it's the ones who DON'T come forward are the ones we need to worry about. It's almost as if some women/children/parents even brag about what they've done on social media. In our case it was as though this horrible man pimped his step son out for 30 pieces of silver

[AmandaF]

Ok will need to give some thought as to how to go about it. I don't think petitions work either- maybe real stories from real people and cases are more to the point.

[AmandaF]

Just read an article about Nigel Evans in which he says he is committed to helping men accused of sex offences. I hope so !!

[can it get worse]

Just read an article about Nigel Evans in which he says he is committed to helping men accused of sex offences. I hope so !!

Please could I have a link to the article. I think he will have a great deal of understanding in the world of being FA'd.

[AmandaF]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...l-assault-case

It's just a one-liner in this article- surely there'll be more, will do some more reading when I have more time.