Been on bail for 4 months, Falsely Accused Dazed and Confuzed!!

[dazedandconfuzed]

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[Verity]

Hi,
Welcome to the forum.
If you read through others threads you will see that bieng on bail can last many months and differs in each case.

I think you have learnt a very harsh lesson here. I do wish men in this country would pass the message to each other;

1. Don't get drunk on a night out.

2. Don't take or accept drugs from anyone, particularlly a female.

3. Don't even think of going to a female's place or taking them back to yours even if it is for a cup of tea and a cucumber sandwich.

4. Get the message that there is a witch hunt going on in this country, men are the targets and on the simple word alone a man

can find himself being falsely accused of a sexual crime that never occurred. (Bear in mind, there are over 70 sexual offences

on the statute book in this country. Sweden has twelve.)

5. Do not even think about having a one night stand under any circumstances regardless of the occasion.

6. DO NOT on the following day, make any kind of sexual innuendo or make a throw away comment to a female as a 'joke' who has had alcohol

the previous night, that something sexual occurred.

This is enough to get you arrested and that is why you were arrested.


You men have got to behave as if you were angels. The days of getting drunk and flirting are over.

Sorry if this sounds a little harsh but the sooner you take on board the facts of what is going on in this country the sooner you can

start gathering evidence in your defence, which you give to your solicitor, not the police.

Get your friends to speak to your solicitor. You are going to have to come clean to your G/F. She is probably aware something is wrong and could

be coming to all sorts of conclusions. The longer you leave it the worse things will be when you eventually tell her.

Read others threads and hopefully they will put things into some sort of perspective for you.

[Saffron]

I think the OP has said that no sexual contact, consensual or otherwise took place.
Just thought I would mention it.
Although the points Verity has raised are of course valid

[Verity]

That's correct, but what could have swung it was what the OP said below:

i stupidly thought it would be funny to reply "we sucked and touched" or something like that (which we didn't) she didn't reply or if she did I can't remember what she said I then realising she probably believed it replied "I wouldn't take advantage of you" not that she was in a position to be taken advantage of or even that I could have possibly known how drunk/intoxicated she was if she in fact was at all. I got no reply from her and that was that...I assumed...

Therein lies the problem unfortunately.

[dazedandconfuzed]

Can I do anyting?

Thanks..

Is it possible for me to refuse to continue with the police bail conditions and / or to demand either being charged or NFA'd?

I feel like refusing to continue with the bail conditions which are keeping me confined to my area. I can not visit family as it is too expensive to travel for a day or two and have to be back immediatley to sign on at the police station. I have spent my summer in isolation missing out on many chances of DJ'ing at some big festivals around europe losing me a great deal of money. I need to figure out a way of taking control of this wild horse of a situation. I read that in july 2011 there was a guideline brought out to charge all suspects within 96 hours or to NFA the case. Should I just refuse to continue with the conditions and see what happens next or should I carry on being a victim.

[IvorBinWronged]

Reading between the lines...

Hi there. You have come to the right place here. All have a different approach to understanding and support.

I cannot begin to imagine how messed up you feel but the bits I get is that you have a great GF - do whatever it takes to keep her. Keep to your medication regime so that your levels stay optimal for her and for any future advances (to which there are many) in this field.

Eat well and get good regular sleep - go to bed knowing that you are innocent and that there are many things going for you:

they'll have a case full of holes

she's a wrong 'un (so are you -cheeky lol - party powders in the D-toilet)

sucking and kissing is an ultra low-risk activity especially when it didn't happen

what offender gives back the starting evidence for all this ie the handbag? - the drugs in your pocket you got called on but you obviously have a problem with that and taking them could be considered a taxi-fair lol - by the way - giving her back her drugs is not supply, it is avoiding her being labelled a supplier, which she tried to do. (Was it K and you wanted C that night? - just curious)

Oh - the good bits...

You will get your degree - this is your chance to throw yourself into the studies - you can't get a first on drugs but you can get saddled with un-payable debt with a 2:2 - act like you are going back and smarten up!

Finally - it takes bloody ages for Plod to do their bit and you have to bear that in mind - having to sign in 3 times a week is a bit harsh - ask your sol if they can do twice (with a Monday to help you with your drug problem - seek help for that now - it will be looked upon favourably). I'm a bit all over the place with this one but you must try to remember that the NHS is quiet happy to employ Nurses with hiv that is under medication regime control so there IS a professional future for you if you want it.

Oh - I just thought - why didn't her "driver" give you harsh words or a slap - just a thought - it seemed like a normal bag pick-up and not a take me to my rapist pick-up.

You are being tried by life's highest court and I wish you well with your handling of it.

[Rights Fighter]

If you break your bail conditions you could be breached and taken to prison and placed on remand.

You cannot demand an NFA and you cannot demand that the police proceed any quicker than they will. You could try of course, but that would piss them off and it could well make them even more eager to put you away than they already are.

You have made more than enough 'mistakes'. All you can do is to sit this one out and wait. If you don't there could be serious repercussions.

they'll have a case full of holes

she's a wrong 'un (so are you -cheeky lol - party powders in the D-toilet)

sucking and kissing is an ultra low-risk activity especially when it didn't happen

what offender gives back the starting evidence for all this ie the handbag? - the drugs in your pocket you got called on but you obviously have a problem with that and taking them could be considered a taxi-fair lol - by the way - giving her back her drugs is not supply, it is avoiding her being labelled a supplier, which she tried to do. (Was it K and you wanted C that night? - just curious)

Oh - the good bits...

You will get your degree - this is your chance to throw yourself into the studies - you can't get a first on drugs but you can get saddled with un-payable debt with a 2:2 - act like you are going back and smarten up!

Finally - it takes bloody ages for Plod to do their bit and you have to bear that in mind - having to sign in 3 times a week is a bit harsh - ask your sol if they can do twice (with a Monday to help you with your drug problem - seek help for that now - it will be looked upon favourably). I'm a bit all over the place with this one but you must try to remember that the NHS is quiet happy to employ Nurses with hiv that is under medication regime control so there IS a professional future for you if you want it.

"they'll have a case full of holes" - how do you know what the case is? All we know is what we have been told.


"sucking and kissing is an ultra low-risk activity" - not necessarily. STDs can be passed on in this manner.

"the drugs in your pocket you got called on but you obviously have a problem with that and taking them could be considered a taxi-fair lol - by the way - giving her back her drugs is not supply, it is avoiding her being labelled a supplier, which she tried to do" - taking the drugs cannot be considered to be a taxi-fare in law. Giving back the drugs may not be supply but it really depends on who the police believe. How do you know she tried to avoid being labelled a drug supplier? It seems that the leaving of the bag was an honest mistake.



I would also say that Ivorbinwronged's 'advice' cannot always be relied upon. Please be careful. You are in enough trouble as it is.

[IvorBinWronged]

Lol

If you break your bail conditions you could be breached and taken to prison and placed on remand.

You cannot demand an NFA and you cannot demand that the police proceed any quicker than they will. You could try of course, but that would piss them off and it could well make them even more eager to put you away than they already are.

You have made more than enough 'mistakes'. All you can do is to sit this one out and wait. If you don't there could be serious repercussions.




"they'll have a case full of holes" - how do you know what the case is? All we know is what we have been told.


"sucking and kissing is an ultra low-risk activity" - not necessarily. STDs can be passed on in this manner.

"the drugs in your pocket you got called on but you obviously have a problem with that and taking them could be considered a taxi-fair lol - by the way - giving her back her drugs is not supply, it is avoiding her being labelled a supplier, which she tried to do" - taking the drugs cannot be considered to be a taxi-fare in law. Giving back the drugs may not be supply but it really depends on who the police believe. How do you know she tried to avoid being labelled a drug supplier? It seems that the leaving of the bag was an honest mistake.



I would also say that Ivorbinwronged's 'advice' cannot always be relied upon. Please be careful. You are in enough trouble as it is.

I agree. I'll try to keep it to supportive level.

To add - all cases are full of holes - it's important that you fill them in with truth before Plod and the CPS does it for you.

Of course the law does not recognise the taxi-fair hence the lol.

It is him making sure that she did not supply him drugs as he gave them (did neither buy them nor intend to permanently deny possession of ie steal them) her back. With regards to it depending who the Police believe that is abundantly clear as "you will always be believed" is the mantra that gets most of the poor unfortunate souls on here arrested anyway. When they drop that nonsense, we'll all have to find something else to fill our time...

You are right though - I have no legal knowledge and have never purported to have - that's your dominion.



Oh yeah - do NOT p*ss Plod off. They are the ones who can set you free of this nonsense. Be nice and kind to the Officers that you sign in with and ultra nice to the Custody Sergeant! They do like a break from the choir practice that they get each shift evening!

[Rights Fighter]

Unfortunately some people take well meant advice (even with lol at the end so we know it's a joke) as fact on forums such as these, so we need to be careful how we 'advise'. It can come back to bite you viciously on the bum if you have said something as a joke and they've taken it seriously. I know because it's happened to me.

It is him making sure that she did not supply him drugs as he gave them (did neither buy them nor intend to permanently deny possession of ie steal them) her back.

Unfortunately the complainant may well change that to something completely different. So what the actual facts are coming from the accused could be totally twisted around by the complainant, who you so rightly say, will always be believed until facts prove otherwise.

[IvorBinWronged]

Thanks Rights Fighter.

Your knowledge and experience win out the day.

[Rights Fighter]

I wish it did. There wouldn't be so many innocent people sat in in prison if it did.

http://www.miscarriagesofjustice.org/

Put your speakers up - the opening bit is exactly how I feel about our so-called British 'Justice'. It is soooo true....

[IvorBinWronged]

Let them eat cake.

This is why one needs a specialist to represent oneself.

[dazedandconfuzed]

hi again

No developments im still on bail (rebailed) just 2 questions please:

can you delete my previous post that started this thread please?

who is the best legal aid solicitor for this type of case in your points of views from the London area?

[Casehardened]

can you delete my previous post that started this thread please?

As it was the first post in the thread I wasn't able to delete it without deleting the entire thread, (meaning you wouldn't then get an answer to your query)

I therefore edited it out, a technical difference, but this does mean if you subsequently change your mind you will have to rewrite it!

[Rights Fighter]

D&A if you look on this forum you will find a list of recommended solicitors