Son falsely accused and charged with historic rapes by his ex

[Rights Fighter]

Merlin, this thread is not about you or anybody who has been raped. It is a thread started by the family of somebody who says they are falsely accused of sexual abuse.

If you cannot answer with appropriate understanding may I suggest that you do not answer these threads at all. You are not impartial so therefore cannot be objective.

[gem]

merlin maybe you should start a new thread ....

[Rights Fighter]

Whether or not you personally agree with what evidence from Facebook suggests is irrelevant at the end of the day.
The point is, Facebook evidence IS admissable.

Your neck was broken during the rape?
I'm horrified that this was dismissed by police...surely there are medical records...

I'm wondering whether she is actually genuine......

[MerlinScot]

Rights Fighter, first you should bring respect to anyone, whether you liked them or not.

Second, given that there's not an appropriate place in this forum or elsewhere to post for me, I wish you would avoid to suggest to other posters I'm not genuine only based on the fact that I'm trying to help people on the SAME side as me.

I might remember you that I'm a falsely accused too, so that's the right place to POST.

As regards the neck thing, I had an accident in 2003 which caused me multiple injuries to vertebraes all along my back, including cervical ones. The first rape caused me a slipped disc, I'm still getting physiotherapy for that. But not having reported the rape back then, having such an injury.. could have caused by anything.

So.. instead of arguing with GENUINE victims, one side or another, I might remind you that... you could express your judgemental thoughts somewhere else if you're harassed by my posts.
This is not a place for a witch hunt, go to mumsnet if you like that.

I'm totally emphatetic with this mum's plight, whether you like it ot not my mum feels the same, even in a different situation.

[Casehardened]

Second, given that there's not an appropriate place in this forum or elsewhere to post for me,

There is in fact a section of the forum for rape victims to post of their experiences and seek support.

.....unless of course, as you:

" Just got here after I googled "false accusations of rape". I was just curious why online there are so many threads or websites about people falsely accused of rape"

you overlooked that particular section.

[Rights Fighter]

Rights Fighter, first you should bring respect to anyone, whether you liked them or not.

Second, given that there's not an appropriate place in this forum or elsewhere to post for me, I wish you would avoid to suggest to other posters I'm not genuine only based on the fact that I'm trying to help people on the SAME side as me.

I might remember you that I'm a falsely accused too, so that's the right place to POST.

As regards the neck thing, I had an accident in 2003 which caused me multiple injuries to vertebraes all along my back, including cervical ones. The first rape caused me a slipped disc, I'm still getting physiotherapy for that. But not having reported the rape back then, having such an injury.. could have caused by anything.

So.. instead of arguing with GENUINE victims, one side or another, I might remind you that... you could express your judgemental thoughts somewhere else if you're harassed by my posts.
This is not a place for a witch hunt, go to mumsnet if you like that.

I'm totally emphatetic with this mum's plight, whether you like it ot not my mum feels the same, even in a different situation.

Rights Fighter, first you should bring respect to anyone, whether you liked them or not.

I'm not sure if you took the time to notice but I started to respond to your posts yesterday - several days after you started on here so I did afford you 'respect' initially in the hope you would notice your own behaviour on here and calm it down.

Second, given that there's not an appropriate place in this forum or elsewhere to post for me, I wish you would avoid to suggest to other posters I'm not genuine only based on the fact that I'm trying to help people on the SAME side as me.

I suggest you find another forum which is appropriate for you. This is not the place for you taking into account your posts and apparent needs. There ARE places for people in your situation. Try women's rape groups. You are helping nobody on here apart from yourself.

I might remember you that I'm a falsely accused too, so that's the right place to POST.

The clue is in the name of this part of the forum UK False Rape Issues -not UK False Allegations of False Allegations of Rape Issues. This is not the right place for you to post or to be, given your inability to see things from both sides (not from your own view point as has been the case throughout all of your posts, so far). The idea of these support forums is to leave 'self' behind and to concentrate on other people's problems. If you wish to post up about yourself do it in the appropriate place which you will find here

http://www.daftmoo.org.uk/mooforum/forumdisplay.php?3-UK-Rape-Issues

As regards the neck thing, I had an accident in 2003 which caused me multiple injuries to vertebraes all along my back, including cervical ones. The first rape caused me a slipped disc, I'm still getting physiotherapy for that. But not having reported the rape back then, having such an injury.. could have caused by anything.

And it seems you stayed with this person who caused you these alleged awful injuries.

So.. instead of arguing with GENUINE victims, one side or another, I might remind you that... you could express your judgemental thoughts somewhere else if you're harassed by my posts.
This is not a place for a witch hunt, go to mumsnet if you like that.

I am not at all harassed by your posts. My concern is for those who are put off posting up their own personal concerns in relation to UK False Rape Issues due to your own rants and incoherent posts.

I'm totally emphatetic with this mum's plight, whether you like it ot not my mum feels the same, even in a different situation.

Do you mean 'empathetic?' Do you know the meaning of the word?

What does your mum have to do with UK False Rape Issues regardless of the situation - different or otherwise??

[myfamilyisinamess]

hello welcome to the forum,
witnesses who know his ex would be a good idea if they are willing to testify for your son. face book is exellent for evidence . conversations, behaviour ect between her and your son going back as long as the allegations were made. gather as much info as you can on her friends and friends of friends who know a lot about her
has she said when the allegations took place roughly year month ect...

Hi gem

Many thanks. I am trying to get evidence but I dont think my son realises how serious this is. He seems to think as he is not guilty that it will be all ok.

She hasn't been specific with dates. Some of the accusations have a certain month,like she said July last year! Do you know if that is allowed, how can you defend yourself if you don't know the date and time?

[gem]

aw really sorry your son feels it is not serious..
i am going to be truthful here. in the hope it will spur you on with evidence ect ..
my sons accuser also couldn.t remember the date of the alleged offence or what she was wearing at the time. it made no difference to the jury. it was put down to trauma on her part .in fact nearly all of her evidence was put down to trauma even her lies .. he was found guilty.i myself never believed they had enough to convict him
as that is why i and my family were so heartbroken when he was found guilty.
your son needs to remember anything he can about his whereabouts for at least a few months around that time . may sound impossible but if your son is a regular facebook user you can go back quite a way to where he says he is, and who with round about the time of the incident .also the accusers facebook for all of a good few months at least. see where she is and who with ..and please please make copies and give to solicitor.. not the police .. they will lose them to help convict your son.. sorry if i have been a bit blunt with my answers but you need to be armed with everything you can to help your son.. you mentioned july of last year as one incident .get on facebook and get all of julys messsages for your son and hers as well if you can ..if you can prove he was elsewhere in july ..it can make a big difference to her other accusations hope this helps..
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[Izzy]

Hi myfamilyisinamess, did your Son have a solicitor with him when he was questioned? The reason I ask is that the police sometimes don't disclose a lot if there isn't one and I wondered if that explained the vagueness of the dates.
I'm sorry you've found yourself here, but you'l get some good advice and support.

[myfamilyisinamess]

Hi myfamilyisinamess, did your Son have a solicitor with him when he was questioned? The reason I ask is that the police sometimes don't disclose a lot if there isn't one and I wondered if that explained the vagueness of the dates.
I'm sorry you've found yourself here, but you'l get some good advice and support.

Hi Izzy

He had his solicitor each time he was questioned and on his advice said no comment to 90% of questions. Think that really annoyed them. We live in a fairly small town and dnt think solicitor or police have dealt with something like this. Police keep coming to our door to check if he is adhering to his bail conditions, getting to the stage of harassment. Until solicitor gets witness statments we are all hanging in limbo!

[J&PVTHW]

Hi myfamilysinamess

Izzy and Gem as always have offered you great advice. They have been immensely supportive to me (thanks you both)

Upon disclosure of my sons case we were also told that his accuser could not remember dates only that it had happened over an 18 month period. Subsequently the only approx date she gave was between 2 months. Using facebook i was able to tap into my sons facebook and produce messages she had sent my son during the same time period she was accusing. Also the only approx date she produced was coincidentally the same time period that she abused members of my family. All relevant evidence.

My son is only 18 and is absolutely convinced that nothing is going to happen to him as 'he hasnt done anything wrong'. It was like pulling teeth to get him to understand the seriousness of the situation and how important it is to gain as much information as possible. I dont think it has yet sunk in but until we are told that the case is to go to court i am happy to let him keep his naivety. Our lives have been damaged enough by this allegation, i am not going to let a spiteful person ruin my sons life.

Again, keep coming back to the site, it is my savior and is packed full of good people who are willing to support you throughout your ordeal.

Sending you big hugs x

[myfamilyisinamess]

Hi

I am trying so hard to get any evidence. I have searched the internet including facebook for as much info as I can get. Got things like his ex's beebo page where she says how much she 'loves her man and cant wait for him to come home', facebook messages between the two of them planning their future together; engagement, wedding, another baby. Evenmore recent conversation they had about having sex. I got a screen print of her advertising herselfon a site called badoo to meet other singles. I handed in piles of paper to the solicitors to her her an idea of what his ex is like. I dont know if they can use any of this in court or not? Anyone any ideas. I'm still looking.

Any more advice will be greatfully received.

x

[Rights Fighter]

Advertising herself on dating sites doesn't mean the alleged abuse didn't happen although common sense would suggest she would be wary of putting herself in situations where she could meet men she doesn't know........

I doubt that part of the screenshot evidence would be admissible although she could be questioned as to why she appears to be so eager to take risks to her personal safety considering what she claims she has been through.

The best evidence from Facebook etc would be immediately after the alleged assaults (so possibly end of July, August and September and maybe longer) as to her attitude towards him.

[myfamilyisinamess]

Hi

Thanks

I will get back on the case and keep looking.

[Faith]

Try not to drain yourself...sometimes there just isn't evidence online...some will know to be very conservative in what they post on social media.

No harm in taking the screenshots that you have...you just never know if your solicitor might find something in them that you haven't. But don't get your hopes too far up and be prepared for your solicitor to say it can't be used. Be in the mindset that it's not going to be admissable but it's worth a try...that way if it turns out that it's of no use, the disappointment won;t be as much of a blow. And if it turns out you have found something useful...then wahey, bonus!
Take care.