Possible new Sapphire strategy?

[IvorBinWronged]

Shutting down the pubs where rapes and sexual offences appear to arise from.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oc...rape-crackdown

How about not giving the girls free entrance and free/subsidised drinks so that they get drunk then under UK law become instant potential victims of rape?

What about a law to make it illegal for a guy to buy a girl a drink unless she can PROVE she will not become drunk from his "gift" (electronic breathalyzer)!

Seriously...stop allowing the girls to get smashed-up on booze - arrest them for their own safety in droves and let their own sense of humiliation smarten themselves up for when they go out in the future.

As for the article's reference to vulnerability:

"80% of our victims have one form of vulnerability or another, a permanent or temporary vulnerability through drink, drugs, mental health, age. So there are things that we can do to prevent the offence happening in the first place."

why not have an entitlement card for those people who are not permanently vulnerable and only allow entrance to them - doorstaff are vetted and registered for suitability so why not the patrons also? I am sure that a venue with a "wrong-un filter" at the front door would be a great source of data and a model for future planning.

That last one is never going to happen - probably best to get a facebook algorithm to give you a percentage chance of the person being a loony stalker/false accuser and go from there...

[lawlessone2009]

Shutting down the pubs where rapes and sexual offences appear to arise from.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oc...rape-crackdown

How about not giving the girls free entrance and free/subsidised drinks so that they get drunk then under UK law become instant potential victims of rape?

What about a law to make it illegal for a guy to buy a girl a drink unless she can PROVE she will not become drunk from his "gift" (electronic breathalyzer)!

Seriously...stop allowing the girls to get smashed-up on booze - arrest them for their own safety in droves and let their own sense of humiliation smarten themselves up for when they go out in the future.

As for the article's reference to vulnerability:

"80% of our victims have one form of vulnerability or another, a permanent or temporary vulnerability through drink, drugs, mental health, age. So there are things that we can do to prevent the offence happening in the first place."

why not have an entitlement card for those people who are not permanently vulnerable and only allow entrance to them - doorstaff are vetted and registered for suitability so why not the patrons also? I am sure that a venue with a "wrong-un filter" at the front door would be a great source of data and a model for future planning.

That last one is never going to happen - probably best to get a facebook algorithm to give you a percentage chance of the person being a loony stalker/false accuser and go from there...

To me it's a hard hitting article. It may be thin on the ground in certain aspects and a little odd in other areas but this seems like a genuine effort by the Police with quite a bit of thought behind it.

It is far from perfect but a step in the right direction. I am a little concerned that the Police are going to take things too far eventually and actually go looking for 'rape' where there isn't. The re-classification of offences that came in lately was quite upsetting in so far as it made everyone a kid that needs the government to hold there hand and guide them into victimhood. Talk of vulnerable people merely strengthens this.

Next they'll be outlawing 'sales' as people who are more inclined to overspend and get into debt will become victims...

We're born with a brain and short of having an actual mental or physical handicap I believe we should all be left to make our own decisions and choices. If I choose to go out and get bluttered and someone robs me or beats me up I take it as a lesson, I don't go blaming the Police/government or try to get the pub shut down. It was my choice. Highlighting the dangers that excessive drinking presents is something of value but rather than focusing on selective issues such as health or rape or violence they should encompass it all into one easily understood advert and stick it on during the X-factor! It could run as a mini-series showing all sides of the coin from women, men, police, nurses, courts, families, bar owners etc...

[whatsgoingon?]

Shutting down the pubs where rapes and sexual offences appear to arise from.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/oc...rape-crackdown

How about not giving the girls free entrance and free/subsidised drinks so that they get drunk then under UK law become instant potential victims of rape?

What about a law to make it illegal for a guy to buy a girl a drink unless she can PROVE she will not become drunk from his "gift" (electronic breathalyzer)!

Seriously...stop allowing the girls to get smashed-up on booze - arrest them for their own safety in droves and let their own sense of humiliation smarten themselves up for when they go out in the future.

As for the article's reference to vulnerability:

"80% of our victims have one form of vulnerability or another, a permanent or temporary vulnerability through drink, drugs, mental health, age. So there are things that we can do to prevent the offence happening in the first place."

why not have an entitlement card for those people who are not permanently vulnerable and only allow entrance to them - doorstaff are vetted and registered for suitability so why not the patrons also? I am sure that a venue with a "wrong-un filter" at the front door would be a great source of data and a model for future planning.

That last one is never going to happen - probably best to get a facebook algorithm to give you a percentage chance of the person being a loony stalker/false accuser and go from there...

I'm with you on this - especially 'Seriously, stop allowing the girls to get smashed..... ' and I would extend it to young men who also become 'vulnerable'. I also believe we have a right to choose what we do and that taking resposibily for your actions and avoiding putting yourself in a vulnerable position a fundamental duty -
This might not sound very PC ( and I'm very pleased too, because because I'd have to be writing in 'BAAAA' language which I've tried to learn but find extremely difficult) but don't people know that booze makes them more vulnerable to all sorts of things including having sexual relashions they may not have in the cold light of day by increasing their libido, diminishing their inhibitions and shading thier judgement and ability to react? Is it a dark secret and not something worth parents telling their daughters/sons about? Since dress and appearance can be provoking to members of the opposite sex why not dress accordingly? I might be from another generation but I find alot of hypocrasey in all this. It's about not giving out wrong messages and codes of conduct . I'm not sure how you'd say that in Baaaa-Baaa talk! Denial of how sexuality works is not the solution, and if alcohol is to blame in alot of the reported rape cases then lets look at both issues.